JOJOVELLER (September 2013)
Asahi Shimbun (September 2013)
Interview Archive
Interviews with Hirohiko Araki's various editors, and a collection of brief commentary from Araki about each interview. These were published in the History book in JOJOVELLER, released on September 19, 2013.
Interviews
โโไฝใ ๆจใใใฏๆคๅณถใใใใๅผใ็ถใใงๆ ๅฝใใใใใใงใใญใ
โ ใใใ็ฌฌ3้จใฎๆ็ตๅใฎๅ็จฟใใใใๆใซๅผใ็ถใใใใใจๆใใพใใๆคๅณถใใในใผใใผใธใฃใณใใใฎๅฏ็ทจ้้ทใซๆ้ฒใใใฎใงใใใใซใจใใชใฃใฆใฎๆ ๅฝๅคๆดใงใใใ
โโใงใฏๅ ็ใจใฎๅบไผใใฏใๅผใ็ถใใๅใใฆ๏ผ
โ ใใใ็ฌฌ1้จใ้ฃ่ผใใใฆใใ้ ใๅ ็ใฏใใ็ทจ้้จใซใใใฃใใใฃใฆใใใฎใงใใใฎๆใซใๅฝๆใฏใคใฑใกใณใชใใฆ่จ่ใฏใชใใฃใใฎใงใๅใใฏใใใใ่ๆจๅ ็๏ผใใ่ถ ใใณใตใ ใใใใใจใ่จใฃใฆใพใใใๆ่ฃ ใๅฐ็ถบ้บใจใใใใชใทใฃใฌใงใไฝๅใในใใผใใ ใใใงใๆใใฆใๆผซ็ปใใใใงใใใใ (็ฌ)ใใๅคใชไบบใชใฎใใชใใจๆใใคใค่ฉฑใใใฆใฟใใจใใใใๆฎ้ใซ่ฏใไบบใใใชใ๏ผใใใฎใฎใฃใใใซ้ฉใใพใใใ30ๅนด่ฟใใใฃใไปใงใ้ฎฎๆใซๆถใใฆใใพใใ
โโๅฝๆใ็ทจ้้จใฎไธญใง่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใฉใใชไฝๅฎถใจ่ฆใใใฆใใใใงใใใใ๏ผ
โ ใ้ญๅฐๅนดใใผใใฃใผใใใใใชใผๆฅ่จช่ ใใๅคงใใใใใใชใใใฉใใใขใใฏใชใใกใณใๆใคใใใใ็นๆฎใชไฝๅฎถใใใ ใฃใใใใงใใใฏใปใฎๅคใใจใใใๅซใใฆๆ่ฝใๆดปใใใใพใพใกใธใฃใผใซๆใฃใฆใใใฎใฏ็ธๅฝ้ฃใใใฟใคใใฎไฝๅฎถใใใชใใงใใใใใใ็ฌฌ1้จใ็ฌฌ2้จใจๆฅใฆใ็ฌฌ3้จใงใใธใงใธใงใใๅคงใใฌใคใฏใใใฆใใใใใใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใจๆคๅณถใฎใณใณใใ ใใใงใใใใใใชใใใใจๅพ่ผฉใฎ็ซๅ ดใใใฏ่ฆใฆใใพใใใๅใใใ่ฆใฆใใใใใณใณใใ ใฃใใใใงใใใฎใใจใ่ชๅใๆ ๅฝใใใใ ใใใใฎใใใใใฌใใทใฃใผใ ใฃใใใ (็ฌ)ใใใฎๅ้ขใๆคๅณถใฎใใจใไปปใใใใจใใใใจใฏๅฌใใใใใใพใใใญใใใธใงใธใงใใๅคงๅฅฝใใ ใฃใใฃใฆใใจใใใใใฉใๅฝๆใฎใ้ฑๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใWJ) ใฏใใใฉใดใณใใผใซใใใในใฉใ ใใณใฏใใใๅนฝโ้โ็ฝๆธใใจใใฃใไบบๆฐไฝใใใฃใฆใใใฎไธญใงใ็ฐๅฝฉใๆพใฃใฆใใใใธใงใธใงใใงใใใใ
โโๅฎ้ใซๆ ๅฝใใใฆใๅ ็ใฎๅฐ่ฑกใฏ๏ผ
โ ใใใใๆคๅณถใใ่ใใฆใใใฎใฏใๆดๆฅฝๅฅฝใใใใใฉใผๆ ็ปๅฅฝใใใ ใฃใใใฉใๅใฏๆดๆฅฝ่ดใใชใใใใฉใผๆ ็ปใฏๆใใฆๅซใใจใใ (็ฌ)ใใใ ๆตทๅคใในใใชใผใใฎใฏๅคงๅฅฝใใงใไพใใฐๅฝๆใ ใจใใใคใณใปใใผใฏในใใจใใใใฌใใใฉใใทใชใผใบใจใใญใใใฎ่พบใๅ ็ใฏใๅฅฝใใ ใฃใฆใใใใจใงใๅ ็ใจใใๆตทๅคใใฉใใฎ่ฉฑใฏใใฆใใพใใใใงใๅฝๆใฎใใใจใใงใใใจใใใผใ ใฎFAXใๆฅใฆ้ป่ฉฑใงๆใกๅใใใจใชใใใใงใใใงใๅใฏ้ขใจๅใใฃใฆ็ดๆฅ่ฉฑใใปใใใใใใใใฃใใใงใๅใ่กใใพใใใใฃใฆ่จใฃใใใใใใๆฅใชใใงใใใใจใใฒใจใใง่ใใใใจใใใใใใใใใชใบใ ใซใชใฃใฆใใใใงใใใใญใใ ใใไบบใจไผใใจใใฎใชใบใ ใ็ใใใใๆฅใชใใงใใใใจใใใใจใงใใใใใใจใใใใฃใใฎใในใฑใธใฅใผใซ็ฎก็่ฝๅใงใใญใไปใใใใใใใใชใใใฉใๅฝๆใใใจใซใใๅ็จฟใฎใขใใใๆฉใใฆ้ ใใชใไบบใ ใฃใใๆฌๆฅใฎ็ท ๅๅ้ฑใฎๆจๆๆฅใฎๅคๆนใซใฏๅ ็ใฎๆใ้ขใใฆในใฟใใใไปไธใไฝๆฅญใใใฎ้ใซๅใจๅ ็ใฏ้ฃไบใซๅบใใใฆใใใใงใใใๅ ดๆใฏๆฑบใพใฃใฆ่ฟใใฎใคใฟใชใขใณใฌในใใฉใณใใใฎ้ใฏๆผซ็ปใฎ่ฉฑใฏไธๅใใชใใๅ ็ใฏใคใฟใชใขๅฅฝใใงใใใๅใใคใฟใชใขใๅคงๅฅฝใใ ใฃใใใใใใใใฃใ่ฉฑใฐใใใงใใใญใใงใ้ฃไบใ็ตใใใจใใใใใซใใกใใฌในใฎใธใงใใตใณใซ็งปๅใใฆ1ๆ้ใใใๆใกๅใใใใใผใใจใใฆใใใฎใใจใฏๆฌๅฝใซ้่ซใงใใใๅ ทไฝ็ใชๅ ๅฎนใฏๆถใใฆใใชใใใฉใใใถใๆตทๅคใใฉใใจใใฎ่ฉฑใใชใใใฎ้่ซใใฒใจใจใใ็ตใใฃใฆไปไบๅ ดใซๆปใฃใฆใในใฟใใใฎไปไธใใ็ตใใฃใๅ็จฟใๅ ็ใใใงใใฏใใฆๅใซๆธกใใฆใใใใฃใฆใใใชใบใ ใงใใ
โโๆคๅณถใใใฎๆใจใพใฃใใๅใใงใใญใ
โ ๆๅใซๅ็จฟใๆธกใใใๆใซ้ฉใใใฎใใไฝใไฟฎๆญฃใจใใชใใงใใ๏ผใใฃใฆ่ใใใใใจใงใใญใๅ็จฟใซๅ้กใฏใชใใจ่ฟไบใใใใใใใใไฝใใใใงใใ๏ผใใจใพใ่จใใใฆใใ๏ผใใฃใฆ (็ฌ)ใใใฎๅพใๅ็จฟใๅใๅใๆใซใฏใไฝใ็ดใใฆใใใ ใใจใใใฎใฏๆฏๅใใใพใใใใใใฏๅ ็ใฎไธ็จฎใฎใธใณใฏในใจใใใใๅๅผใฟใใใชใใฎใใใใใชใใงใใญใ
โโในใฑใธใฅใผใซใใใฃใใใใฆใใ็นใฏใ็ทจ้่ ใจใใฆใฏๆใ้ฃใใใจ๏ผ
โ ่จใๆนใฏๆชใใใใใใพใใใใ่ไฝ็ใซใฏใใใๆฅฝใงใใใใชใบใ ใใพใฃใใๅดฉใใชใใฎใฏ็ทจ้ใจใใฆใไบๅฎใ็ซใฆใใใใใใงใๆๅใฎ็ป้ใฎใJOJO6251ใใๅใฎๆ ๅฝใ ใใฉใใใใใๆฌใฎไผ็ปใ็ซใฆใใใใฃใใ
โโใJOJO6251ใใฏใคใฉในใใซๅ ใใฆใญใฃใฉ่งฃ่ชฌ่จไบใใใฃใใใใฆใไปใงใใใใกใณใใใฏ็ใชใใฎใฎ่ตฐใใงใใญใ
โ ่ๆจไฝๅใฏใณใขใช่ชญ่ ใๅคใใฃใใฎใงใๆฎ้ใฎ็ป้ใจใฏใกใใฃใจ้ใ้ข็ฝใใใฎใไฝใใพใใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใซใชใฃใใใงใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ3้จใฎใฉในใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฎ้ไธญใพใงใฎๆ ๅฝใไฝใ ๆจใใใงใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฎ็ซใกไธใใฏใฉใใใฃใๆตใใ ใฃใใใงใใใใใ
โ ๅๅคงใชไฝๅฎถใใใฏไพๅคใชใใใใฎใใใๅผทใๆตใไฝใใไบบใชใใใงใใไธปไบบๅ ฌใฏไฝๅฎถ่ช่บซใฎๆๅฝฑใ ใใใใ็จๅบฆใฏไฝใใใจใใฆใ้ญ ๅ็ใชๆตใญใฃใฉใฏๆ่ฝใใชใใจไฝใใชใใใ้ใซ่จใใฐใใใงไฝๅฎถใใใฎๆ่ฝใ็พใใใใใงใใใงใ็ฌฌ1้จใใ็ฌฌ3้จใฏๅฃฎๅคงใชใตใผใฌใจใใใใ็ฉ่ชใงใDIOใWJๅฒไธใซๆฎใๆตใ ใฃใใใใฎใใจใฎ็ฌฌ4้จใงใฉใใชๅผทใใฆใใใๆตใ่ใใฆใใใฎใใจๆใฃใฆใใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฎ่ๅฐใฏๆฅๆฌใใใใไปๅฐใฃใฆ่จใใใฆใใ๏ผใใฃใฆ (็ฌ)ใ
โโใใใๅผทใๆตใๅบใใใจใใใใฏใผใฒใผใ ใฎๆงๅณใงใฏใชใใฃใใใใงใใญใ
โ ใใในใใชใขในใช่กใซใใใใใ่กใฎๅฐๅณใไฝใฃใฆใใใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใ่ใใฆใใๅ ็ใฏใใใใใใจใ่ใใฆใใใฎใใใจใ้ฉใใ่จๆถใใใใพใใญใ็ฌฌ2้จใฟใใใซไธๆ่ญฐใชใใฎใๆใใฆ็ฌฌ3้จใฎใญใผใใ ใผใใผใๆใใฆใ็ฌฌ4้จใงใฏๅ ดๆใ้ๅฎใใไธ็ใๆใใใฃใฆใใใใใฎๅผใๅบใใฎๅคใใซใฏ้ฉใใใใพใใใ็ฌฌ3้จใงๅคงใใใกใธใฃใผใซใชใฃใใจใใ็นใใใใงใใใใใๆ่ฝใฏๅฝใใในใใใใฉใคใใฎ้ใๅคใใใฐๅคใใปใฉ่ผใใฆใใใใใงใใใใใใ็ฌฌ3้จใฎ้ฃ่ผไธญใซไฝๅฎถใจใใฆใฎในใใผใธใไฝๆฎตใไธใใฃใใใ ใจๆใใพใใ่กใจใใๅฐใใช่ๅฐใง่ฒใ ใชๆฆใๆนใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใ่ใใฎใ้ข็ฝใใฃใใงใใญใๅบทไธใฎในใฟใณใใๆใๆๅญใฎในใฟใณใใชใใ ใใฉใๅ ็ใใใๆใๆๅญใใญใใชใใๆใฟ่พผใใ ใ้ข็ฝใใจๆใใใ ใใญใผใใฃใฆ่จใใใฆใ๏ผใ(็ฌ)ใใกใใฃใจๆๅณใๅใใใชใใฆใใผใ ใซใใฆใใใฃใใใใชใใปใฉ๏ผใใจใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จ็ซใกไธใใฎ้ใซใใฉในใในใงใใๅ่ฏใฎ่ฉฑใฏๅบใฆใใพใใใ๏ผ
โ ใใใๅ ใฎใใจใฏ่ฉฑใใฆใใพใใใงใใใๅ่ฏใๅบใฆใใ้ ใฏๅฃๅ ใๆ ๅฝใ ใใๅฝผใซ่ใใฆใใใฃใใปใใใใใงใใญใๅใๅไบบ็ใซๅฅฝใใ ใฃใใฎใฏใใใใชใฎในใฟใณใใฎใใผใซใปใธใฃใ ใงใใใใใฎใคใฟ้ฃฏใ้ฃในใใใฃใใญใใ่ ฐ็ใๆฒปใใฆใใใชใใใชใผใใชใใฆ่ฉฑใใใฆใพใใใญใใใจใฏๅฑฑๅฒธ็ฑ่ฑๅญใใชใๅฝๆใฏใพใ ในใใผใซใผใจใใ่จ่ใ็กใใฃใๆฐใใใพใใใ็ๆดปใซๅฏ็ใใๆใใใใใพใใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฏใใใใฃใๅๆง็ใชใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใๆฐๅคใๅบใพใใญใ
โ ๅฒธ่พบ้ฒไผดใฏๅ ็ใจไผผใฆใใใจใใใใใใพใใญใ้ฒไผดใฏใ่ฏใๆผซ็ปใๆใใใใใใฎใใใชใใในใฆ่จฑใใใใใจใใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใงใใใๅ ็ใ่ฏใๆผซ็ปใๆใใใจใซไธ็ๆธๅฝใชไบบใงใใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฏ็ญใใจใใฝใผใใๆฎบไบบ้ฌผใจใใ็ธฆใฎไธฒใง้ใใจใใๆงๆใชใใงใใใ็ซใกไธใใฎๆใซไฝใๅคงใใช่จญๅฎใจใๆงๆณใฏใใฃใใใงใใใใใ
โ ไฝใใใฃใใใชใโฆใใในใใฉใใ ในใฎไบ่จใซใใใใ ่จญๅฎใฏ่ใใๆฐใใใพใใญใใ ใใๅนดไปฃ่จญๅฎใ1999ๅนดใ ใฃใฆใใใใๆฌกใฎ100ๅนดใๆฏ้ ใใไฝใใๆ็็บใซใใฃใฆใใจใใฃใๆใใ ใฃใใใใใใชใใใงใๅฎ้ใฏๅ จ็ถ้ใใใญ (็ฌ)ใ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใฏใญใๆๅใซๆ็ตๅใ่ใใฆใใฆใๆใใฆใใใใกใซไฝๅฎถใๆ้ทใใฆใใใใใใฉใใฉใๅคใใฃใกใใใใจใๅคใใงใใใใใใ3ๅนดๅพใซ่ใใๆ็ตๅใฎๆนใ้ข็ฝใใซๆฑบใพใฃใฆใพใใใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใง่จใใชใใ็ญใใจใใฝใผใใฎ็ฉใฟ้ใญใฎไธญใงๅ่ฏใจใใๅคงใใชๆตใใๅบๆฅใใใใงใใญใ
โโ็ทจ้้จใไฝใ ๆจใใใใใฎใๅ ็ใซๅฏพใใใชใผใใผใฏใใฃใใใงใใใใใ
โ ใใธใงใธใงใใซ้ขใใฆใฏใชใใงใใญใๅใฎๆ ๅฝๅใซ้ใฃใฆใใใฐใใใใใใงๅคงใใชๆตใๅบใใพใใใใใจใใใใใใฃใใใจใฏ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใ
โโไปๅฉใฎใใใฎใๆฒปใใใจใใในใฟใณใ่ฝๅใฏในใฟใผใใฉใใใซๆฏในใใจใๅฐๅณใชๅฐ่ฑกใๅใใใใงใใใใฎ่พบใฏ๏ผ
โ ใใใฏๆๅใซ่ใใๆใซใใฉใใใฃใฆๆฆใใใ ใใ๏ผใใ้ฃใใใใใใใชใใใจใใใฎใฏใใใใซใใใพใใใใใ ใๅ ็ใใใใใใใๆฆใๆนใใใพใใใใจใใใขใคใใขใใใณใใณๅบใฆใใฆใใใกใใใจ่ฆ่ถใใฆ่ใใฆใใใฎใใใจๆใใพใใใญใ็ฌฌ3้จใฏๆฆใใฎ้ฃ็ถใ ใฃใใฎใงใใใใฎใๆฒปใใใจใใใฎใฏใใใฎๅๅใ ใฃใใฎใใใใใชใใไปๅฉใซใใใใใชใซใใใๅนณๅใชในใฟใณใใๅชใใในใฟใณใใงใใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฏ่ชญ่ ใฎๅๅฟใฏใฉใใงใใใใ
โ ๅนด้ฝขๅฑคใง่จใใจใใใฏใ้ซใใฎ่ชญ่ ใๅคใใฃใใงใใญใๅฐๅนดใจใใใใใฏ้ๅนดใซ่ฟใๅนด้ฝขๅฑคใฎ็ทๅญใๅคใใฃใใใใใชใใใชใ
โโๆ ๅฝใใใฆใใไธญใงใๅ ็ใฎ็นๅพด็ใชๅฐ่ฑกใซๆฎใใใจใฏ๏ผ
โ ็ท ๅใใใใ ใใฉใ็ดๆใฎๆ้ใซใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซ้ ใใชใใฃใฆใฎใฏใใใพใใญใใชใบใ ใๅดฉใใชใใจใใใใใ ใใใใกใใใๅฝใใๅใฎใใจใงใฏใใใใ ใใฉๆ้ใฏๅณๅฎใใฆใพใใใๆ้ใซ้ ใใใใใจใใฃใฆๆใใใใชไบบใงใใชใใใ ใใฉใไฝๅฎถใใใใใใพใงใใฃใกใใใฃใฆใใ ใใใใใ ใใใ็ท ๅใๅฎใใฃใฆ่จใฃใฆใ็ซๅ ดใฎๅใใฏใใไปฅไธใซใใกใใจใใใชใใใญใ
โโ่ๆจไฝๅใฏๆ ๅฝๅใใ่ชญใใงใใใใงใใ๏ผ
โ ๅ จ้จใใชใขใซใฟใคใ ใง่ชญใใงใใพใใใๆๅใซใ่จใใพใใใใๅใใฆไผใฃใๆใฏใใใใๆฎ้ใฎๆใใฎใใไบบใงใใใใๆฌๅฝใซ้ฉใใพใใใใใ ใ้ใซ่จใใจ่ถ ๅคๅฟใชใฏใใฎ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใใใฆใใชใใๅธธไบบไปฅไธใซ่ฆๅๆญฃใใๆฎ้ใฎ็ๆดปใ้ใฃใฆใใใฎใงใใใใฃใกใฎใปใใในใฒใจใใจๆใใพใใ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใงใใใ ใ็ทปๅฏใชๆงๆใใใฆ็ทปๅฏใช็ตตใๆใใฆใชใชใธใใชใใฃใซใใตใใไฝๅใๅบใใคใคใใใฃใกใไผใฟใฏๅใฃใฆๅนดใซไฝๅใใฏใคใฟใชใขใซ่กใใใใฎๆฎ้ใฃใทใใใใใใไปใฎไฝๅฎถใใใซใ่จใใใใจใ ใใฉใๆฐๆใกใๅ ฅใฃใใๅจๅฒใ่ฆใใชใใชใใปใฉใฎ้ไธญๅใใใใใใใ็ถญๆใใฆใใใ ใใงใๅธธไบบ้ขใใใฆใใใฎใซใญใ
โโ็ทจ้่ ใจใใ็ซๅ ดใใใใใธใงใธใงใใ้ทใ็ถใใใใ็็ฑใฏใฉใใ ใจๆใใพใใ๏ผ
โ ใขใคใใขใๆฏๆธใใชใใใจใใใฃใจ่จใใจใใคใณใใใใฎ้ใๅ็ซฏใชใใฃใฆใใจใงใใญใใใธใงใธใงใใจๅใใ้ทใ็ถใใฆใใใจใใ็นใงใใใกใ่้ฃพๅบไบๆๅ ฌๅๅๆดพๅบๆใใฎ็งๆฌๆฒปๅ ็ใฎ่ฉฑใซใชใใพใใใ็งๆฌๅ ็ใฏไฝใฎๅคฉๆใชใฎใใจใใใจๅฅฝๅฅๅฟใฎๅคฉๆใชใใงใใๆฎ้ใฎไบบใงใใใฐใใ็จๅบฆใฎๅนด้ฝขใซใชใใฐใ่ฒใ ใจๅทใใฆใใใ้ขๅใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใฏใใชใใงใใใ็งๆฌๅ ็ใฏ็ด็ฒใชๅฅฝๅฅๅฟใๆใก็ถใใฆใใฆใใใใใใใกไบใใจใใไฝๅใฎๅๅๅใซใชใฃใฆใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใใพใฃใใๅใใงๆ ็ปใงใใใกใใทใงใณใงใใๆฐใใใใฎใๅใๅ ฅใใฆใใใฉใๆฌฒใใ็ง่จฃใ ใจๆใใพใใญใใ ใฃใฆไบบ้ใฎ้ ญใฎไธญใใๅบใใใฎใชใใฆ้ใใใใฃใฆใ5ๅนดใงๆฏใใพใใใใใกใใใจ็ตถใใๆฐใใใใฎใๅ ฅใใฆใ่ชๅใฎไธญใงๅๅผใใฆใขใคใใขใจใใฆๆใก็ถใใใใใจใใ็นใงใๆใใฆใใไฝๅใฏใพใฃใใ้ใใพใใ็งๆฌๅ ็ใจ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใใฎใใใไผผใฆใใใจๆใใพใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฎใใจใใใธใงใธใงใใฎ้ฃ่ผใฏ็ฌฌ5้จใ็ฌฌ6้จใจ็ถใใพใใใใใฎ้ ใไฝใ ๆจใใใฏWJ็ทจ้้จใซๅจ็ฑใใฆใใใใใงใใใ่ชญ่ ใฎๅๅฟใฏใฉใใ ใฃใใใงใใใใใ
โ ่ชญ่ ใขใณใฑใผใใฎ็ตๆใฏใๅฎใฏใใ ใฎๆฐๅญใชใใงใใๅคงๅใชใฎใฏใใใฎๆฐๅญใใฉใ่ชญใใใใ ใใไพใใฐใขใณใฑใผใใไฝใใฃใใจใใฆใใใใใฉใฎๅนด้ฝขๅฑคใซใฉใๅใใใฎใใจใใ็นใใกใใใจ่ฆใไธใงใไฝๅใฎๅฎ้ใฎไบบๆฐใ่ชญใฟๅใใฎใ็ทจ้ใฎไปไบใชใใงใใใใฎ็นใงใใใจใใธใงใธใงใใฏใใใใใ่ตฐใไฝๅใใใชใใใฉ้้ใใชใWJใฎ็ๆฟไฝๅใงใใใไฝ่ซใงใใๅๅไบบใฎๆฐๆใกใงใใใจใใธใงใธใงใไปฅๅคใฎไฝๅใไพใใฐใใดใผใธใฃในโใขใคใชใณใใฟใใใชไฝๅใ่ชญใฟใใใชใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใใใใใๆๆใใๅ ็ใฏใใใธใงใธใงใใใๆใใชใใใจใใฃใใใจใ่จใฃใฆใใใฆใใใใใชใใ ใๅฟไฝใชใใชใใจๆใฃใฆใใใใจใฏใใใพใใ
โโ็ฌฌ6้จใฎใใจใ็ฌฌ7้จใงใใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฏWJใงไธๅฎๆ้ฃ่ผใจใใๅฝขใซๆฒ่ผในใฟใคใซใๅคใใใ้ไธญใงใใฆใซใใฉใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใUJ) ใซ้ฃ่ผใฎๅ ดใ็งปใใพใใใไฝใ ๆจใใใฏใใใใใฃใจ้่ฟใง่ฆใฆใใๆฐๅฐใชใ็ทจ้่ ใฎใฒใจใใซใชใใพใใ
โ ็ฌฌ7้จใฎไธๅฎๆ้ฃ่ผใซใคใใฆใฏใๅ ็ใฎไธญใงๅฐๅนดๅใใฎ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใจใใใใผในใใใธใงใธใงใใซๅใใชใใชใฃใฆใใฆใใใใใใชใใใใจใใๆฐๆใกใใใฃใใจๆใใพใใๅใใใฆWJ่ช่บซใใใคใฆใฎใใใซใๆฏ้ฑ็ตถๅฏพ่ผใใใใจใใในใฟใคใซใงใฏใชใใชใฃใฆใใฆใใใใใใช้ฃ่ผในใฟใคใซใใใฃใฆใใใใฎใงใฏใใจใใๆตใใงใใใใใใฉใณใฎไฝๅฎถใใใซๅฏพใใฆใฏๆๅญๅฎ่ฆใชๆฅใๆนใใใฆใใชใใฃใใใใใใงไธๅฎๆ้ฃ่ผใจใใๆตใใซใชใฃใใฏใใงใใ็งป็ฑใฎๆใฏๅใฏๅฏ็ทจ้้ทใซใชใฃใฆใใพใใใใ็ฌฌ6้จใ็ตใใฃใใใใใงไฝๅใไฝ้ขจใWJๆฌๆฅใฎๅฐๅนด่ชญ่ ใใ้ขใใคใคใใฃใใใงใใใใญใ่ๆจใใกใณใฎๅนดไปฃใWJใฎใกใคใณใฉใใใงใฏใชใใชใฃใฆใใฆใใใจใใ็นใใใฃใใจๆใใพใใใใใง่ๆจๅ ็ใใใฎ่ฆๆใใใฃใฆUJใซ็งป็ฑใจใใๅฝขใซใชใใพใใใใใธใงใธใงใใๆฌกใฎในใใผใธใซไธใใใซใฏๅฐใชใใจใ่ๅฐใฏWJใงใฏใชใใ ใใใๅๆฅญใฎๆๆใ ใฃใใใ ใใใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใ
โโๆญดไปฃใฎๆ ๅฝ็ทจ้่ ใจใใ็ซๅ ดใใ่ฆใฆใใธใงใธใงใใจ่ๆจไฝๅใฎ้ญ ๅใฏใฉใใงใใใใใ
โ ใฏใณ๏ผใชใณใชใผๆใไปใงใฏ่ชญใใชใใใฎใใใฃใฑใใใใฃใฆใใใใจใงใใญใใปใชใๅใใๅฑ้ใใณใใฎๆงๆใใใผใบใฎๅใๆนใใในใฆใไปใฎๆผซ็ปใงใฏ่ฆใใใชใใฆใใใใใใธใงใธใงใใใใธใงใธใงใใใใใใฆใใใๆผซ็ปใซ้ใใๅคงใใใไฝใฏใในใฆใใใชใใงใใใใชใชใธใใชใใฃใซ้ขใใฆใฏ่ชฐใ็ไผผใงใใชใใใฎใใใใพใใ
โโ็นใซในใฟใณใใฏใใใงใใใญใ่ชฐใ็ไผผใงใใชใใ
โ ็บๆใงใใญใใ่ถ ่ฝๅใๅฝขใซใใใใฃใฆ่จใใใฆใฟใใฐใใใชใใ ใใฉใใใใพใง่ชฐใๆใใคใใชใใฃใใใไปใใใใใฃใใใในใฟใณใใ ใญใใจ็ตถๅฏพ่จใใใฆใใพใใใใใใใฏใณ๏ผใชใณใชใผใฎไฝๅใงใใญใ
โโๅฃๅ ใใใๆ ๅฝใใใใฎใฏใใฉใใใใชใใงใใใใใ
โ ็ฌฌ4้จใไฝใ ๆจใใๅผใ็ถใใงใใฌใใใปใใใใปใใชใปใใใใผๆฆใใใใคใฆใงใคใปในใฟใผใ็ตใใใจใใใใใใพใงใๆ ๅฝใงใใใใกใฐใๆๅใฎๆใกๅใใใฎๆใๅ ็ใฏใใใธใงใธใงใใฏในใฟใณใใฎใขใคใใขใใใฃใฑใใใใใใ้ทใใใใใใใ ใใญใใจใใฃใใใจใ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฏ่ๅฐใๆฅๆฌใฎๆ็็บใชใใงใใใไฝใ ๆจใใใธใฎๅๆใซใใใจใๆ็็บใซใฏใในใใฉใใ ในใฎไบ่จใซ็ตกใใ ไฝใใใใใใจใใ่จญๅฎใๅฝๅใใฃใใใใใใงใใใ
โ ใใใใใใใซไฝใ ๆจใใใๆ็็บใฎๅฐไธใซ้บ่ทกใใใใใใใใ ใใใจใใฃใ่จญๅฎใฏ่ใใ่จๆถใใใใพใใใงใ็งใๆๅใซๆ ๅฝใใใฌใใใชๆฆใงใใถใปใใณใใๅฐ้ขใๅใฃใใๅบใฆใใใฎใฏ้ปๆฐใฑใผใใซใ ใฃใใฎใง (็ฌ)ใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใใๅคไปฃ้บ่ทกใฎ่จญๅฎใจใใใใๆฐใฏใชใใฎใใใใใชใใใจใฏๆใฃใฆใใพใใใ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใฏๅคใใฃใฆใใใใฎใชใใงใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏๅ ็ใๅ่ฏใจใใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใ่ฆใคใใใใจใงใใใใใชใใจใๆฑบใพใฃใใใ ใจๆใใพใใ
โโๅฃๅ ใใใฎๆ ๅฝๆไปฃใซใฉในใในใฎๅ่ฏใ็ปๅ ดใใพใใใญใ
โ ๆๆฌ้ด็พใฎใจใใฝใผใใงๆฎบไบบ้ฌผ (ๅ่ฏ) ใฎๅญๅจใๆใใใซใชใใใงใใใๅ ็ใ็งใๆช่ซใซใฏใพใฃใฆใใๆๆใ ใฃใใฎใงใๅฝๅใฏใใใฃใฝใๅนฝ้ใฎใจใใฝใผใใไฝๅใ็ญใใใใใจใใใฌใใซใ ใฃใใใงใใใใใใงๆๆฌ้ด็พใฎใจใใฝใผใใๅงใพใฃใฆ3้ฑ็ฎใฎๆใกๅใใใฎๆใซใๅ ็ใ็ช็ถใใใฎ่กใซๆฎบไบบ้ฌผใใใใฎใฃใฆ้ข็ฝใใใญ๏ผใใฃใฆ่จใๅบใใใใงใใใใฎๆฅใฎๆใกๅใใใฏใใใๆฅฝใใใใงใๆใใคใใใใ ใ๏ผๆฎบไบบ้ฌผใ ใ!!ใใ้ด็พใๆฎบใใ็ฏไบบใใฉในใในใซใใใ๏ผใใจใใฏใฃใใใจใใฉในใในใใจ่จใฃใใฎใๆถใใฆใใพใใๅ่ฏใๅบใใฎใๆฑบใพใฃใใฟใคใใณใฐใฏใใใงใใญใ
โโๅ่ฏใซใคใใฆใ้ฑๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใWJ) ็ทจ้้จใฎๅๅฟใฏใฉใใงใใใ๏ผ
โ ๅฎใฏๅฝๆใ็ทจ้้จใฎใฟใใชใใใDIOไปฅไธใฎๆตใๅบใฆใใชใใใฉใใชใฃใฆใใใใ ใใจใใใใจใฏ่จใใใฆใใพใใใใงใๅ ็ใจ่ฉฑใใใฆใใDIOใใๅผทใๆตใๅบใใฆใใใใใฏๅใชใๅผทใใฎใคใณใใฌใงใใใชใใใใธใงใธใงใใฏ้ใใใใใจใใ่ฟไบใงใใใญใใชใฎใง็งใฏๆญฃ็ดใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏใฉในใในใๅบใชใใพใพใใใใใชใใไธญใในใๅใใชใใๆ็็บใฎๅฐๅณใๅฎๆใใฆ็ตใใใฎใใชใใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใใใ ใใใฉในใในใฎ่ฉฑใๅบใๆใซใใใคใใซๆฅใ!!ใใจใใใฎใฏ่ชๅใฎไธญใงใใใพใใใญใใใใ่กใจใใ่บซ่ฟใชไธ็ใงๆตใๆฎบไบบ้ฌผใใใใงใใใญใ
โโๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใฏใๅ่ฏใใฉใใใฃใในใฟใณในใฎๆตใซใใใใจ่ใใฆใใใฎใงใใใใใ
โ ใ็ฌฌ3้จใฎDIOใฏไธปไบบๅ ฌใฎๅใใ้ฎใใใจใใใฟใคใใใ ใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏ้ใซ้ฐใซๆฝใใงใใฆใ่ฆใคใใฃใใๆปๆใใฆใใใจใใใฉในใในใซใใใใใจใใใฎใฏ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใใใใจๆฎบไบบ้ฌผใฎใขใคใใขใๅบใๅฝๅใฏใใใใใชใจใใใซ็ๅผพใไปๆใใฆใใใใไธปไบบๅ ฌใฏใใใ้ฟใใชใใๆตใ่ฟฝใใคใใชใใใใใชใใใจใใ่ฉฑใงใใใญใ
โโใตในใใณในใๆใใใใ่จญๅฎใงใใญใ
โ
ๅ่ฏใฎใทใขใผใใผใใขใฟใใฏใฎใจใใฝใผใใงใฏไปๅฉใใกใๅ่ฏใจๆฅ่งฆใใใจใใๅฑ้ใชใใงใใใๆๅใฏๅบทไธใใใใทใขใผใใผใใขใฟใใฏใฎๅใใๅฐใใใ ใใง็ตใใไบๅฎใ ใฃใใใงใใๅฑ้ใฎ้ไธญใงๅ
็ใใใไปๅฉใใกใจๅ่ฏใๅบไผใฃใกใใใฎใฉใ๏ผใใจใใใขใคใใขใๅบใใใงใใใใใใฏ็ทจ้่
ใฎ็ซๅ ดใใ่จใใจใฉในใในใจๅบไผใฃใใๆฎ้ใฏๆ็ตๅฏพๆฑบใซใชใใใใงใใใใ๏ผใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏใใใง็ตใใใฎ๏ผใใจใใๅฟ้
ใฏใใใพใใใใ ใใๅฝๆใฎๆผซ็ปใฎๆใซใใ็ฌฌ4้จ
โโๅ่ฏใ็ปๅ ดใใฆไปฅ้ใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏๅคงใใๆตใใๅคใใใพใใใญใ
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ๅ่ฏใๆใใซใคใใฆๅ
็ใฏใๅ่ฏใฎ่ฝๅใใใผใธใงใณใขใใใใใใใใจใฏ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใๅ่ฏใฏ็ๅผพ่ฝๅใชใฎใงใใ ใจใใใ้
ธ็ด ใ ใใใใจใใใจใใใฏๆใกๅใใใงๆฑบใใฆใใใใงๅบๆฅใใฎใ
โโๅ่ฏใฎ็ฌฌ3ใฎ็ๅผพใงใใใญใฉใผใฏใคใผใณ ใใคใใกใปใในใใฎใขใคใใขใๅ ็ใฎไธญใซใฏๅฝๅใใใใฃใใใงใใใใ๏ผ
โ ใใฎ่พบใฏ้ข่ฐทใๆ ๅฝใฎๆไปฃใชใฎใงๅใใใพใใใใๆ้ใ็นฐใ่ฟใใขใคใใขใใฎใใฎใฎ่ฉฑใฏ็งใฎๆไปฃใซ้่ซใฌใใซใงใฏใใฆใใพใใใใใ ๅ่ฏใฎ่ฝๅใจๆฑบใใฆใใใใใงใฏใชใใในใฟใณใ่ฝๅใฎใขใคใใขใฎใฒใจใคใ ใฃใใจ่จๆถใใฆใใพใใใๆตใใๆ้ใฎ่ผชใใซ้ใใใใฆใๅ ใซ้ฒใใชใใใในใฟใณใใฎ่ฉฑใฏๅบๆฅใชใใ๏ผใใจใใๆใใงใใใญใใใ ใ19ใใผใธใฎ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใงใๆ้ใฎ่ผชใใ่กจ็พใใใฎใฏไธๅฏ่ฝใใใชใใใใจใใ็็ฑใงไฟ็ใซใใฆใใใใงใใใใใใๅ่ฏใฎ่ฝๅใซใชใฃใฆๆ็ซใใ็นใฏใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎในใใผใชใผๅฑ้ใฎๅทงใฟใใจใขใคใใขใฎใใใใ ใจๆใใพใใใญใไฝ่ซใงใใ็งใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใใๆ้ใใงใใใชใจใใใใใใใใใชใใใชใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใDIOใซใใฆใๅ่ฏใซใใฆใใ็ฌฌ5้จใฎใใฃใขใใญใซใใฆใใใฉในใในใฎๅคใใฏใฟใใชใๆ้ใใงใใใใ
โโใญใฉใผใฏใคใผใณใฏใทใณใใซใงใใใชใใๅญๅจๆใๆพใคใใถใคใณใฎในใฟใณใใงใใใในใฟใณใใฎใใธใฅใขใซใซใคใใฆ็ทจ้่ ใฏไฝใ้ขใใฃใใใใฆใใใฎใงใใใใ๏ผ
โ ็นใซใฏใชใใงใใญใใญใฉใผใฏใคใผใณไปฅๅคใๅซใใฆใในใฟใณใใฎใใถใคใณใฏๅ็จฟใใใใใพใง็งใๅใใใชใใใงใใใใผใ ใฎๆใซใฏๅคงใใชใใซใซใในใฟใณใใใฃใฆๆใใฆใใใ ใใชใใงใใ (็ฌ)ใใ ใใๅ็จฟใงใใกใฐใใซ่ฆใใใๅใณใฏใใใพใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จ้ฃ่ผๅฝๆใฎ่ชญ่ ใฎๅๅฟใฏใฉใใ ใฃใใใงใใใใใ
โ ่ชญ่ ็ใซใฏๆฅๆฌไบบใฎไธปไบบๅ ฌใง่ๅฐใๆฅๆฌใจใใ่บซ่ฟใช่จญๅฎใงใใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏๅ จไฝ็ใซใขใณใฑใผใใฎ็ตๆใ่ฏใใฃใๅฐ่ฑกใใใใพใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฏในใฟใณใ่ฝๅใฎ็ตๅใใๅใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใจใฎ้ขไฟๆงใชใฉใ่ฒใ ใจๅ ็ใๅทฅๅคซใใฆใใใใใใชใใงใใใใ๏ผ
โ ใใใใชใใฟใผใณใใใใพใใใญใไธปไบบๅ ฌๅจใใฎไบบ้้ขไฟใงใใใจใไพใใฐใๅบทไธใใใๆฟๅคช้ใๅฐๆฌใใ่ฉฑใซใใใใใจใใใใผใใฎๆใใใใฐใใใใใชๅคใชๆตใๅบใใใใญใใจใใๆใใใใใใใใฏ้ด็พใฎๆใฎใใใชใๅนฝ้้่ทฏใซ็ดใ่พผใใใจใใใทใใฅใจใผใทใงใณใใใใฐโฆใใจใใๆใใง่ช็ฑใจใใใใใชใผใใ ใจใใใโฆใๅฝๆใฎๅ ็ใฎใคใณใฟใใฅใผใ่ชญใใจๅใใใฏใใงใใใๆใใคใใใใจใใๆฅ่จใฎใใใชๆใใงๆใใฆใใใใใใจใใใใจใงใใใๅฝๆใฎๅ ็ใใใใใใฃใใฎใใตในใใณในใงใใใใใฉใใช็จฎ้กใฎใตในใใณในใชใฎใใๆฏๅๆขใฃใฆใใใจใใๆใใงใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใซใฏๅคใใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใ็ปๅ ดใใพใใๅ ็ใ็นใซๅ ฅใ่พผใใงใใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฏ่ชฐใงใใใ๏ผ
โ ้ใกใผใงใใญใ้ไธญใงๆญปใใงใใพใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใชใใ ใใฉใๅ ็ใฏๆๅพใฎๆๅพใพใงใ้ใกใผใๆฎบใใใใชใใใ ใใฉใๆฎบใใใใชใใใจๆฉใใงใใพใใใใใ ใใใใฏๅ่ฏใจใฎ็ตกใฟใง่ชฐใใๆญปใชใชใใจๅ่ฏใธใฎๆใใๆฒธใใพใใใใใ็ทจ้่ ใจใใฆๅทๅพนใซใๆฎบใในใใงใใใจ่ไธญใๆผใใพใใใ้ใกใผใๆฒใใๆญปใซๆนใใใใใจใใๅ ็ใฏใๆฎบใใชใใใใใฃใใใจ่จใฃใฆใพใใใใใ้ใกใผใฏ็ธๅฝๅฅฝใใ ใฃใใฟใใใงใใญใ
โโ้ใกใผใใใใชใใงใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏๅคใใฃใๆงๆ ผใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใๆฐๅคใ็ปๅ ดใใใจใใๅฐ่ฑกใใใใพใใ
โ ๅฎๅฎไบบใใฉใใใๅใใใชใๆฏๅๆช่ตท้ใจใใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใใใพใใใญใใใใฏใใกใใฌในใฎใธใงใใตใณใงใฎๆใกๅใใใฎๅใฎ้่ซใงๅฎๅฎไบบใฎ่ฉฑใซใชใฃใฆใใใใใ3้ฑ้ใใใใซใใใฃใฆใๅฎๅฎไบบใฏใใใฎใใใใชใใฎใใใง็ฑใ่ญฐ่ซใใฆใใจใใใใๆพใฃใฆใใใจๆใใพใใๅ ็็ใซใฏใๅฎๅฎไบบใฏใใใใงใไบบ้ใจๅใๅฝขใใใฆใใใใจใใๆ่ฆใงใใใๅ ็ๆฐใใไบบ้ใฎใใฉใซใ ใฏ่ช็ถ็ใซใใใฆๅฎ็งใ ใใใๅฎๅฎใซใใใฆใ็ฅ็็ๅฝไฝใฏใใฎๅฝขใซใชใใใใๅพใชใใใจใใไธปๅผตใงใใใใ็งใฏ็งใงใๅฝขใฏ็ฐๅขใซใใฃใฆๅคใใใฎใงใฏ๏ผใใจใใฃใ่ฉฑใใใใใใฉใใงใใใ็ดฐใใใใจใๅซใใฆๆฌๅฝใซใใใใชๅฎๅฎไบบ่ญฐ่ซใใใฆใใพใใใใใใใใใๆพใใใใฟใ้ใใๅฝขใใใใใพใใใใใใงๅฎๅฎไบบใฎใญใฃใฉใๅบใฆใๅไธญใงใๅฎๅฎไบบใชใฎใๅคไบบใชใฎใ็ญใใฏๅบใใชใใพใพใฃใฆใใๆใใงใใใใใ็งใฎไธญใง็ฌฌ4้จใฏใๅคใชไบบใใใฃใฑใๅบใฆใใๆผซ็ปใใจใใ่ช่ญใใใใพใใ (็ฌ)ใ
โโใใฉใจใใฃใซๅฏใใ ใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผ้ฃใงใใใญใ
โ ใใ ใๅ ็ใ่จใฃใฆใใใฎใฏใๅคใใฃใไบบใใกใใใใใใฎ็ซๅ ดใงๅบไผใฃใๆใใใใใใฎ็ซๅ ดใๅฎใใใใซๆฆใใชใใกใใใใชใใชใใใใใๆฆใใฎใๅๆฉใใงใใใฎใๅๆฉใใใใกใฐใๅคงไบใชใใ ใใจใใใใใชใใจใฏ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใๆตใจใๅณๆนใจใๅๆชใงใฏใชใใใใฉใใใฆใใใใคใจใฏๆฆใใชใใกใใใใชใใใ่จฑใใชใใใฎใใใใใจใใใใใใใใจใ ใจๆใใพใใญใใใฎ็นใงใใใจไปๅฉใจ้ฒไผดใฃใฆไปฒใๆชใ่จญๅฎใงใใใๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใฏใใคใฆใงใคใปในใฟใผใจใฎๆฆใใฎใใจใงไปฒ็ดใใใไบๅฎใ ใฃใใใงใใใใฎใใใซใใฃใจใใคใฆใงใคใปในใฟใผใฎใจใใฝใผใใๆใใฆใใใฎใซใใผใ ใ่ฆใใไปฒ็ดใใใฆใชใใฆใใใใใฃ๏ผใใใใงใใ๏ผใใฃใฆ่ใใใใใใใคใ็ก็ใ ใฃใใใไปฒ็ดใใฏใงใใชใใงใใใผใใฃใฆ (็ฌ)ใใใใใใจใใใงๆ่กจใ็ชใไฝๅฎถใใใงใใใใพใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฎๆ ๅฝๆใๅ ็ใซใคใใฆไฝใๆถใใฆใใๅฐ่ฑก็ใชใจใใฝใผใใฏใใใพใใ๏ผ
โ ๆ ๅฝใๅผใ็ถใใ ๆใ็งใธใฎๆๅใฎ่ณชๅใใ่ฟๆใฎๅฐใใชใฌใณใฟใซใใใชๅฑใฎๆ ็ปใๅ จ้จ่ฆณใกใใฃใใใ ใใฉใไฝใใใๆ ็ปใใใพใใ๏ผใใฃใฆใใใใฃใฆ็งใใใใใจใ็ทจ้่ ใจใใฆๅผใๅบใใใใฎใฎๆ็กใ่ฉฆใใใฆใใใใจใซใชใใใใงใใใใฏๅ ๅฟใๆฅใๆฅใ๏ผใใจใใใฎใฏใใใพใใใไฝๅฎถใใใๅผใ็ถใๆใฎใไฝๅฎถใใใฎใใชใผใฉใใซใ่ฒ ใใกใใใใชใใใจใใๅฟๆงใใฏใงใใฆใใใคใใใงใใใใ็ตๆงใใญใใญใใ็ฌ้ใงใใญใใใใงใกใใฃใจใบใซใใฎใงใใใๅ ็ใ่ๅณใชใใฆ่ฆณใฆใใชใใใใชใณใกใใฃๆ ็ปใฎไธญใใใ่ฃธใฎ้ (ใฌใณ) ใๆใค็ทใใจใใๆ ็ปใๆใใใจใใใใ่ฆณใฆใใชใใใจใใใฎใงๅใๆใใใใใงใใใ็ฟ้ฑใฎๆใกๅใใใงใใใฎๆ ็ปใ่ฆณใใใใจใใใใใใใฎๆ ็ปใซใคใใฆใฎๅๆใๅงใพใฃใใใงใใ็ทจ้ใจใใฆใฏใใใง้ฃใใคใใฆใใใชใใจ้ง็ฎใชใใใงใใใใใง่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๆ ๅฝใจใใฆใฎ็งใฎ่ฆๆใๅบใพใฃใๅฐ่ฑกใฏใใใพใใญใ
โโ็ทจ้่ ใใ่ฆใฆใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใฉใใชไฝๅฎถใ ใจๆใใพใใใ๏ผ
โ ่ช่บซใซ่ชฒใใฆใใ่ฆๆฑใฌใใซใฏ้ซใใฃใใงใใญใใใใฏๅธธใซใ่ชๅใฏWJใฎใๆฌๆตใใฎไฝๅฎถใใใชใใใใ ใใไบบไธๅใไธใ็ฎๆใใชใใจ้ง็ฎใชใใ ใใจใใใใจใ่จใฃใฆใพใใใใ ใใๆใกๅใใใใใฆไป้ฑใฎๅฑ้ใใพใจใพใฃใใใจ็งใๆใฃใ็ฌ้ใซๅ ็ใใใใใใใฌใใซใซ้ใใฆใใชใใชใใจใใ็ดใใใจใๅคใใฃใใงใใญใๆฎ้ใฎไฝๅใชใOKใชใฌใใซใฎใใญใใใงใฏใใฃใใจๆใใใงใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๆ่ซใงใใใใใในใใปใฉใผใฎ็่ซใใจใใใฎใใใฃใฆใใใใฏไพใใฐใใใใขใผใใฃในใใฎใขใซใใ ใงๆ่ฏใฎไฝๅใฏใฉใใใใจใใใจใใใกใฐใๅฃฒใใใขใซใใ ใฎใฒใจใคๅใฎใขใซใใ ใ ใจใใชใใใจใใใฐใใใฎใขใซใใ ใ่ฏใใฃใใใๆฌกใฎใขใซใใ ใใใกใฐใๅฃฒใใใใ ใใจใใ่ซ็ใชใใงใใใ ใใใ่ชๅใๆใๆใใใๆฅ้ฑใฏ่ฏใใฃใใจใใฆใๅๆฅ้ฑใใใใซใฏ่ฝใกใฆใใพใใใใใใฎใๅบใ็ถใใฆใใใซใฏใใใฃใจ้ซใใฌใใซใงใใฃใฆใใใชใใจใใใชใใใ ใใจ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใใใใชๆใใง่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใใธใงใธใงใใจใใไฝๅใๅธธใซใใใใฒใจใคไธใซ่กใใชใใใใใชใใใ ใใจใใๆ่ญใงๆใใฆใใใจๆใใพใใ
Q: What part did you start working as an editor, Sekiya-san?
Sekiya: From the time Stray Cat appeared in Part 4 all the way up to the final chapter. I left around the time we began Part 5. In terms of duration, it was about a year. It should have been around my second year after joining the company.
Q: How did Weekly Shonen Jump (hereafter Jump) readers react to Part 4 at the time?
Sekiya: Mr. Kaito, my predecessor, was in charge when Kira changed his face and made his escape. I think readers were getting excited, wondering, "Is this already the climax of Part 4?!" However, when I took over, neither Josuke nor Jotaro appeared, so the reaction from readers became weaker.
Of course, there were many core JoJo fans, but in terms of the most straightforward reader feedback, like popularity polls, our presence wasn't always visible to a broader audience. I think this is a trend not only for JoJo, but for all long-running serialized works. Even if Araki-sensei didn't care that much about it, as the editor, I still had to pay attention to reader reactions and audience growth.
So, I subtly suggested that he should bring out Jotaro, the popular character. But he dismissed it, saying, "Jotaro stops time, so no one can beat him. That's unfair" (laughs).
While we were going back and forth, the story started to heat up around the episode where Kira and Josuke fought with invisible air bombs, and we were able to conclude Part 4 in a good way. After all, the showdown between the protagonist and the main villain is what readers look forward to the most.
Q: The idea of Kira's father guiding the air bombs with his cell phone was brilliant.
Sekiya: It seems that was inspired by submarine torpedoes. I looked into it myself, and there are types of torpedoes that automatically track targets and types that are guided by people relying on sonar. It seems this concept was brought into the Stand battle. Regarding Kira's death, Sensei said, "While there are endings where the protagonist beats up the enemy, like in Part 3, I think it's fitting for Kira to die like this."
Q: In the latter half of Part 4, Hayato Kawajiri gained quite the prominent role.
Sekiya: In Sensei's mind, that role was originally supposed to be Koichi's. Originally, Part 4 was planned to be a growth story for Koichi, so that's why Koichi's Echoes grows from ACT1 to ACT2. Alongside the narrative flow of Josuke challenging the "fear in everyday life" of Kira, a murderer who has blended into everyday life, we also planned a flow where Koichi would grow both as a Stand user and as a person. That's why most episodes involved Koichi in some way. However, when we decided to place Hayato close to Kira, the flow shifted to Hayato being the one who uncovers Kira's true identity. With this shift, the story became more focused on Hayato's perspective, which might be why Koichi was reintroduced at the beginning of Part 5.
Q: Killer Queen's third bomb, Bites the Dust, was a Stand ability that blew away time.
Sekiya: Bites the Dust was a Stand that Sensei struggled a lot with. We had the first and second bombs, but we knew that those alone wouldn't be enough for the final fight, so deciding on the third bomb's ability was a challenging process. Sensei's mindset at the time was: "If you want to make something more powerful, it has to involve time," but even if time would be blown away and then reversed, we had difficulties with those rules.
Stands generally have a "if you do this, then this will happen" rule, and we argued about these rules for about three weeks, especially around the time Kira kills Hayato in the bath. During that period, even the usual quick phone calls for checking drafts were filled with Sensei's frequent remarks like, "Hmm... this doesn't quite work..." From there, when we scheduled meetings together, we would become increasingly frustrated at each other as we tried to finalize Part 4. I think we consistently talked on the phone for about three hours at that time. Sensei seemed to have a lot of trouble with Bites the Dust, and I think it caused him a ton of stress.
I'm not sure if I should say this, but around that time, Sensei would occasionally ask, "Should we end JoJo with Part 4?" However, as we got closer to the end of Part 4, Sensei began thinking about doing a Part 5, and I repeatedly responded with, "Absolutely, let's do it!" That just goes to show how challenging it is to come up with Stand ideas and plot developments that will shock readers every week.
Q: Part 5 has a more independent development compared to the rest of the series. Do you think there were any emotional shifts on Sensei?
Sekiya: I think there were. After doing so many Stand battles throughout Parts 3 and 4, and continuing the series for such a long time without any breaks (whether or not to end the JoJo series aside), I believe he had a desire of wanting to have a little break or even a conclusion at the end of Part 4.
Q: Do you know how the concept for Part 5 was developed?
Sekiya: We talked about setting the story in Italy from the beginning. However, the protagonist had to be a descendant of the Joestar family in some way, so that stumped us for a bit. Sensei even had a (possibly joking?) idea of, "Should we make Joseph cheat again?" but both of us concluded with, "That's not going to happen" (laughs).
Q: So, you changed the perspective to make him DIO's child?
Sekiya: Since DIO's body is Jonathan's, he would be part of the Joestar family. In our early meetings, we talked about the fact that he is also the child of the vampire DIO, so we asked questions like "Should we make sunlight a weakness?" or "Should sunlight give him a tingling feeling?" Sensei also likes gags, so there were actually quite a few such ideas. Another point is that Sensei said, "I want a woman to be the main protagonist."
Q: This is for Part 5, right? You don't mean Jolyne from Part 6, but Giorno as a woman?
Sekiya: Around the time he brought it up, Giorno's name hadn't been decided yet. It's not an issue these days, but back then my impression was that a female lead in a shonen manga would have been very tough to sell. During that era of Jump, it simply wasn't the time. Thus, during my meeting with Sensei, we spoke about this and that, and in the end, the protagonist ended up not being a woman. However, Giorno's stand has the ability to create life, right? Women give birth to life, so I think this concept was probably left over from the idea of having a female protagonist.
Q: Giorno is an elegant and somewhat androgynous character. Is the initial idea of having him be a woman related to that?
Sekiya: Giorno's real name, Haruno Shiobana, is also very feminine, right? Sensei may have been thinking of having the story unfold with Giorno being revealed to be a woman. Now that I think about it, he used to joke around with ideas, saying things like: "What about if it was a woman who looked like a man? Wonder if that would work?" (laughs)
Q: Sensei has a rather playful side (laughs).
Sekiya: Yes, he does. When Sensei had an exhibition in Paris in 2003, I went to visit him and I heard that internally he was grateful, but when I saw him he acted rather indifferent on the outside, saying "Oh, you came?" He is surprisingly shy, or tsundere in that way (laughs).
Also, he doesn't seem to dwell much on the past. For instance, when Josuke almost fell from the transmission tower during the fight with the Stand Super Fly, Sensei suggested, "Can't Crazy Diamond's ability bring him back to the tower?" I had to remind him, "No, Sensei, the rule is that Stands don't affect their users." And then he said, "Well, that's the thing..." Eventually, he started saying things like, "Maybe Josuke's determination can do it" (laughs).
He has a tendency to speak directly about what he thinks or feels. He often says things in a straightforward way that others might usually soften. It's not a bad thing and often contributes positively to the work, making it interesting. He doesn't cling to any particular Part either, so when I became his editor, he told me, "Since JoJo is so long, starting from Part 3 is enough to read." Against his instruction, I instead re-read from the first volume. Even though I was only there for a year, it was a very memorable experience.
Q: So the series is quite dense.
Sekiya: Yes, checking the manuscripts was also quite intense. The weekly serialization typically consists of 19 pages, but his manuscripts usually clocked in at about 20 to 21 pages. I had to cut 1 to 2 pages each time, and we would have weekly discussions over the phone about how to fit it into 19 pages. He'd always tell me, "My rhythm is 21 pages." He explained that, "When I get into a comfortable groove and think, 'this is OK,' it usually turns out to be about 21 pages." Sometimes, the manuscript would come in at 19 pages, but those manuscripts seemed a bit drawn out. I think it's about creating the right balance of getting the manuscript to 21 pages, cutting unnecessary parts, and concentrating on showing what needs to be shown to create a stronger impact for every chapter.
Q: You were mainly in charge of Part 4, but were there any words from Sensei that left an impression on you?
Sekiya: I was going to leave as editor after about a year, and when it was time to hand the role over to the next person, Sensei said, "You're leaving already? Isn't that a bit short? I kind of had a feeling it would be like this." It seems that the previous editors, Sasaki and Kaito, were also both in charge for about a year each, and I was no different. I think Sensei, who was just beginning to form a relationship with the editors, always found it hard to switch editors again and again.
Personally, I have grown a lot by being in charge of Araki-sensei. Although Sensei is about 10 years older than me, we worked on equal terms despite the age difference. Even now, Sensei looks very young, and sometimes I think that he's actually younger than me. I feel like he thinks and draws things from the perspective of a young man. That's why he always looks young (laughs) and I think his work is able to adapt to the times.
If he were thinking from the perspective of his actual age, in his 50s, he wouldn't be able to create a story as interesting as JoJolion. In that sense, both Araki-sensei and JoJo are constantly evolving and always feel new. So, I think that's what makes JoJo great. As long as Sensei's passion continues, even if it's not under the JoJo title, brilliant new ideas will continue to be born. That's how I feel.
โโ้ข่ฐทใใใฎๆ ๅฝใใผใใฏใใฉใใใใงใใใใใ
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็ฌฌ4้จใง
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฏใๅฝๆใฎใ้ฑๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใWJ) ่ชญ่ ใฎๅๅฟใฏใฉใใงใใใ๏ผ
โ ๅไปปใฎๅฃๅ ใๆ ๅฝใใฆใใใใผใใฎๆๅพใใใใๅ่ฏใ้กใๅคใใฆ้ใๅใใจใใใงใฏใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏใฉใคใใใฏในใโใใจ่ชญ่ ใ็ใไธใใฃใฆใใใจๆใใพใใใใ ใๅใๅผใ็ถใใ ๆใฏไปๅฉใๆฟๅคช้ใๅบใชใๆๆใงใใใใ่ชญ่ ใฎๅๅฟใ่ใใชใฃใฆใใพใใใใใกใใใณใขใชใใธใงใธใงใใใกใณใฏใใใใใใใใงใใใไบบๆฐใขใณใฑใผใใจใใใกใฐใๅใใใใใ่ชญ่ ใฎๅๅฟใจใใฆใฏใ่กจใใซใใใฃใ้จๅใใใใพใใใใธใงใธใงใใซ้ใใ้ทๆ้ฃ่ผไฝๅใฏใฉใใไผผใๅพๅใซใชใใจๆใใพใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใใใปใฉๆฐใซใใชใใฆใใใใใงใใใฏใๆ ๅฝ็ทจ้ใจใใฆใฏ่ชญ่ ใฎๅๅฟใฏๆฐใซใใ้จๅใงใใใใใใใจใชใไบบๆฐใญใฃใฉใฎๆฟๅคช้ใๅบใใฆใปใใ่ฉฑใๅ ็ใซใตใฃใฆใใๆฟๅคช้ใฏๆ้ใๆญขใใใใ่ชฐใๅใฆใชใใใ ใใญใใบใซใใใญใผใใจๅดไธใใใใ (็ฌ)ใใใใใใใฆใใใใกใซใๅ่ฏใจไปๅฉใ็ฉบๆฐๅผพใงๆฆใใจใใฝใผใใใใใใ็ใไธใใฃใฆใใฆใ็ตๆ็ใซใใๅฝขใง็ฌฌ4้จใๅฎ็ตใงใใพใใใใใฏใไธปไบบๅ ฌใจใฉในใในใฎๅฏพๆฑบใฏ่ชญ่ ใใใกใฐใๆๅพ ใใใจใใใงใใ
โโๅ่ฏใฎ็ถ่ฆชใๆบๅธฏ้ป่ฉฑใง็ฉบๆฐๅผพใ่ชๅฐใใใจใใใขใคใใขใ็ง้ธใงใใใ
โ ใใใฏๆฝๆฐด่ฆใฎ้ญ้ทใใขใใผใใฎใใใงใใญใๅใ่ชฟในใฆใฟใใใงใใ้ญ้ทใซใฏ่ชๅ่ฟฝ่ทกใใใฟใคใใใใฝใใผใ้ ผใใซๆฝๆฐด่ฆใ่ชๅฐใใใฟใคใใชใฉใใใฃใฆใใใฎๆงๅณใในใฟใณใๆฆใซๆใกใใใ ใใใงใใๅ่ฏใฎๆๆใซ้ขใใฆใฏๅ ็ใฏใ็ฌฌ3้จใฟใใใซไธปไบบๅ ฌใๆตใใใณใใณใซใใใฃใฆใใๆๆใใใใใฉใๅ่ฏใฏใใใใๆญปใซๆนใง่ฏใใใ ใใใจใใใใจใฏ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฏๅพๅใงๅทๅฐปๆฉไบบใฎๆดป่บใ็ฎ็ซใกใพใใใญใ
โ ใใใฏๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใฏใๅฝๅใฏๅบทไธใฎๅฝนๅฒใฎใฏใใ ใฃใใใงใใใใใจใใจ็ฌฌ4้จใฏๅบทไธใฎๆ้ท็ฉ่ชใซใใใไบๅฎใงใใ ใใๅบทไธใฎใจใณใผใบใACT1ใACT2ใจๆ้ทใใ่จญๅฎใซใใฆใใใใงใใๅ่ฏใจใใๆฎบไบบ้ฌผใๆฅๅธธใซๆบถใ่พผใใงใใใจใใใๆฅๅธธใฎไธญใฎๆๆใใซไปๅฉใๆใใจใใๆตใใฎๆจชใงใๅบทไธใในใฟใณใไฝฟใใจใใฆใไบบ้ใจใใฆใๆ้ทใใฆใใๆตใใๆทใไบๅฎใงใใใใ ใใๅคงๆตใฎใจใใฝใผใใซๅบทไธใ็ตกใใงใใๅฑ้ใซใชใฃใฆใใใใงใใใๅ่ฏใฎ่บซ่ฟใซๆฉไบบใจใใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใ็ฝฎใใใใใใกใฐใ่ฟใใฎๆฉไบบใๅ่ฏใฎๆญฃไฝใๆดใใฆใใใจใใๆตใใซๅคใใฃใฆใใฃใใใงใใใใใชๆใใง้ไธญใใๆฉไบบ็ฎ็ทใซใชใฃใฆใใพใฃใใฎใงใใใใใใฃใฆ็ฌฌ5้จใฎๅ้ ญใงๅบทไธใๅบใใใฎใงใฏใชใใงใใใใใ
โโใญใฉใผใฏใคใผใณใฎ็ฌฌ3ใฎ็ๅผพใงใใใใคใใกใปใในใใฏใๆ้ใๅนใ้ฃใฐใใจใใในใฟใณใ่ฝๅใงใใใญใ
โ ใใคใใกใปใในใใฏใใชใๅ ็ใๆฉใใงใใพใใใญใ็ฌฌ1ใ็ฌฌ2ใฎ็ๅผพใฏใใฃใใใฉใใใใ ใใงใฏใฉในใในใจใใฆใญใใใจใใใฎใๅใใฃใฆใใฆ็ฌฌ3ใฎ็ๅผพใใฉใใช่ฝๅใซใใใใใใจใใใฎใฏใใชใ้ฃ็ฃใงใใใใใใฏใผใขใใใใใชใๆ้ใซ็ตกใใใใใชใใใจใใใฎใฏใใจใใจๅ ็ใฎ่ใใฎไธญใซใใฃใใใใงใใใๆ้ใๅนใ้ฃใฐใใฆๅทปใๆปใใซใใฆใใใใฎ็ดๆไบใซใฏๆฉใฟใพใใใในใฟใณใใฃใฆๅบๆฌ็ใซใใใใใใใใใใใชใใใจใใ็ดๆไบใชใใงใใใใใฎ่พบใฎ็ดๆไบใใๅ่ฏใ้ขจๅๅ ดใงๆฉไบบใๆฎบใ้ฑใฎๅๅพใใใใใ3้ฑ้ใใใใใใฃใจไธ็ทใซ่ใใฆใใพใใใญใใใฎ้ ใฏใใงใใฏ็จใฎใใผใ ใฎใใใจใใฎ้ป่ฉฑใๆฎๆฎตใชใใใ็ตใใฃใฆใใใฎใซใๅ ็ใฎใใใผใโฆใใใ ใจใกใใฃใจใใโฆใใจใใ็บ่จใๅคใใฃใ่จๆถใใใใพใใใใใใใใไธๅบฆๆใกๅใใใๅงใพใฃใฆใๅฑ้ใใใพใใพใจใพใใใซใไบใใซใคใฉใคใฉใใชใใ่ฉฑใใฆใใใใจใใใใพใใใญใใใฎๆใฏ้ป่ฉฑใง3ๆ้ใใใใใใจใใใฆใใใใช๏ผใใใคใใกใปใในใใฎไฝฟใๆนใฏๅ ็ใใใชใ่ฆๆฉใใ้จๅใงใใใใใฃใ็นใๅซใใฆๅ ็ใฏใใชใใใใฉใใฃใใใใงใใใใใฏ่จใฃใกใใฃใฆใใใๅใใใชใใใงใใใฉใกใใใฉใใฎ้ ใใใใธใงใธใงใใฏใใ็ฌฌ4้จใง็ตใใใซใใใใ๏ผใใจใใฃใๆจใฎ็บ่จใใใใพใใใใใ ใ็ฌฌ4้จใฎใฉในใใซๅใใใซใคใใฆใ็ฌฌ5้จใใใใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใๅ ็ใใใๅบใฆใใใใใซใชใฃใฆใใใฎใงใใใฃใกใใ็ตถๅฏพใใใพใใใใ๏ผใใจใใใใ ใๆฏ้ฑใในใฟใณใใฎใขใคใใขใ่ชญ่ ใ้ฉใใใใใชๅฑ้ใ่ใใใฎใฏๅคงๅคใ ใจใใใใจใงใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ5้จใฏใทใชใผใบใฎไธญใงใ็ฌ็ซใใๅฑ้ใซใชใฃใฆใใพใใใๅ ็ใฎใใใใฃใๅฟใฎๅใใใใใใงใใใใ๏ผ
โ ใใฃใใฎใงใฏใชใใงใใใใใ็ฌฌ3้จใ็ฌฌ4้จใจในใฟใณใใใใซใใใฃใฆใใใใใไผใฟใใชใ้ทใ็ถใใฆใใใฎใงใใธใงใธใงใใฎใทใชใผใบใ็ตใใใใฉใใใฏๅฅใซใใฆใใ็ฌฌ4้จใงใกใใฃใจไธๅบๅใใคใใใใใจใใๆฐๆใกใซใชใฃใฆใใใใใ ใจๆใใพใใ
โโ็ฌฌ5้จใฎๆงๆณใฏใใฉใใใฃใๆตใใงๅฝขไฝใใใฆใใฃใใๅใใใพใใ๏ผ
โ ใคใฟใชใขใ่ๅฐใซใใใใใจใใใฎใฏๆๅใใ่ฉฑใใใใพใใใใใ ใไธปไบบๅ ฌใฏใฉใใชๅฝขใงใใใธใงใผในใฟใผๅฎถใฎ่กใๅผใใฆใใชใใจใใใชใใฃใใฎใงใใใใฏๅ ็ใ่ฟทใฃใฆใพใใใญใใใธใงใปใใซใพใๆตฎๆฐใใใใใใฟใใใชใขใคใใข (ๅ่ซ๏ผ) ใใกใใฃใจๅบใใใงใใใๅ ็ใๅใใไบใใซใใใใฏใชใใใญใใจใใ็ต่ซใง (็ฌ)ใ
โโใใใง่ฆ็นใๅคใใฆDIOใฎๅญไพใจใใๅฝขใซ๏ผ
โ DIOใฎ่ไฝใฏใธใงใใตใณใชใฎใงใธใงใผในใฟใผๅฎถใฎ่ก็ญใซใชใใพใใใใๅๆใฎๆใกๅใใใงใฏๅธ่ก้ฌผDIOใฎๅญไพใงใใใใฎใงใๆฅๅทฎใใฏ่ฆๆใซใใใใ๏ผใใๅคช้ฝใฎๅ ใๆตดใณใใจใใฏใใฏใใใจใใใชใใฆ่ฉฑใใใใพใใใญใๅ ็ใฏใฎใฃใฐใๅฅฝใใชใฎใงใใใใใ้กใฎ่จญๅฎใๆๅคใจใใใพใใใใใใจใใใฒใจใคใๅ ็ใใใฏใไธปไบบๅ ฌใๅฅณๆงใซใใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใใใใพใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ5้จใงใใใญ๏ผใ็ฌฌ6้จใฎๅพๅซใงใฏใชใใใธใงใซใใๅฅณๆง๏ผ
โ ใธใงใซใใฃใฆใใๅๅใใพใ ๅ จ็ถๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใชใใฃใๆๆใชใใงใใใไปใ ใฃใใ้ใใพใใใๅฐๅนด่ชใฎๆผซ็ปใงๅฅณๆงใไธปไบบๅ ฌใซใใใฎใฏใ่พใใฎใงใฏใชใใใจใใๅฐ่ฑกใๅใซใฏใใใพใใใๅฝๆใฎWJใฏใพใ ๅฅณๆงไธปไบบๅ ฌใจใใๆไปฃใงใฏใชใใฃใใใงใใญใใใใฏๅ ็ใจใๆใกๅใใใง่ฒใ ่ฉฑใใฆใใไธญใงๆ็ต็ใซใฏไธปไบบๅ ฌใฏๅฅณๆงใซใฏใชใใชใใฃใใใงใใใใธใงใซใใฎในใฟใณใใฏใ็ๅฝใ็ใฟๅบใใใจใใ่ฝๅใงใใใญใ็ๅฝ (ๅญไพ) ใ็ฃใใใฎใฏๅฅณๆงใ ใใงใใใใใใใฏใๅฅณๆงใไธปไบบๅ ฌใใจใใๆกใฎๅๆฎใชใฎใใชใจๆใใพใใ
โโใธใงใซใใฏ่ฏๅฅขใงไธญๆง็ใชใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใงใใใๅๆๆกใงๅฅณๆงใ ใฃใใใจใ้ขไฟใใฆใใใฎใใใใใพใใใญใ
โ ใธใงใซใใฎๆฌๅใใๆฑ่ฏๅๆตไน (ใใใฐใชใฏใใฎ)ใใจใใๅฅณๆง็ใชๅๅใงใใ๏ผใใใใใใใใๅฎใฏๅฅณๆงใงใใใใจใใๅฑ้ใ่ใใฆใใใฎใใใใใชใใงใใญใโฆใใใใใฐใ็ทใฟใใใซ่ฆใใๅฅณใจใใฏใฉใใใช๏ผใใใกใใช๏ผใใจใใใใใชใฎใฃใฐใฟใใใชใขใคใใขใๅ ็ใฏ่จใฃใฆใพใใใญ (็ฌ)ใ
โโๅ ็ใฏๅฒใจใ่ถ็ฎใชใจใใใใใใพใใญ (็ฌ)ใ
โ ใใใงใใญใๅ ็ใฏ2003ๅนดใซใใชใงๅๅฑใ้ใใใใใงใใใใใใซใ้ช้ญใใๆใๅ ๅฟใฏใใใใใจใ๏ผใใ ใฃใใใใใใงใใใๅ ็ใฏใใชใใ ใๆฅใใฎ๏ผใใใใใซ็ด ใฃๆฐใชใๆใใงใๆๅคใจใใใใใจใใใฏๆฅใใใใใๅฑใจใใใใใณใใฌใจใใใ (็ฌ)ใใใจใใใพใ้ๅปใซๅท็ใใชใใฃใใใใพใใญใในใผใใผใใฉใคใจใใ้ๅกใฎในใฟใณใใจใฎๆฆใใงไปๅฉใ้ๅกใใ่ฝใกใใใซใชใฃใๆใใใฏใฌใคใธใผใปใใคใคใขใณใใฎ่ฝๅใง้ๅกใซๆปใใชใใใชใ๏ผใใจ่ชๅใใ่จใๅบใใฆใใใใๅ ็ใในใฟใณใใฏ่ชๅใซใฏๅนๆใใชใใฎใใซใผใซใงใฏโฆใใใใใใใโฆใใฟใใใชใใใจใใใใฃใใใใใฎใใกใซใไปๅฉใฎๆฐๅใใงใชใใจใใชใใใใใชใใใชใใจใใใใจใ่จใๅบใใใ (็ฌ)ใๅฒใจๆใฃใใใจใๆใใใใจใในใใจๅฃใซๅบใใฆ่จใใจใใใใใใพใใญใๆฎ้ใงใใใฐใชใใฉใผใใซๅ ใใ ใใใใใใชใใจใๆ่ฆ็ใซในใใจ่ฉฑใใใใใๆชใใใจใงใฏใชใใฆ่ฏใๆนๅใซๅบใฆใใ้จๅใๅคใใใไฝๅ็ใซใ้ข็ฝใใใ ใจๆใใพใใใใ้จๅใซใฏๅบๅทใใชใใจใใใใใฃใฆใๆ ๅฝใซใชใฃใๆใๅ ็ใใใใใธใงใธใงใใฏ้ทใใใใใ่ชญใใฎใฏ็ฌฌ3้จใใใงๅๅใ ใใใจใใๅฃฐใใใใฆใใใฃใใใใใใใใกใใๆ ๅฝใใใซๅฝใใฃใฆ็ฌฌ1ๅทปใใ่ชญใฟ็ดใใฆใฏใใใฎใงใใใใใใ1ๅนดใจใใๆ้ใงใใใใใชใๅฐ่ฑกใซๆฎใๆ ๅฝไฝๅใงใใใ
โโใใใ ใๅฏๅบฆใๆฟใใฃใใจใใใใจใงใใญใ
โ ใใผใ ใฎใใงใใฏใๆฟใใฃใใงใใญใๆฏ้ฑใฎ้ฃ่ผใฏๅบๆฌ็ใซ19ใใผใธใชใใงใใใใใผใ ใฏใใใฆใ20๏ฝ21ใใผใธใงไธใใฃใฆใใใใงใใ1๏ฝ2ใใผใธๅใๅใใชใใใฐใใใชใใฆใๅ ็ใจ้ป่ฉฑใงใฉใใใฉใใใใฐ19ใใผใธใซๅใพใใใฎๆใกๅใใใๆฏ้ฑใใฃใฆใใพใใใใใใฏๅ ็่ช่บซใ่จใฃใฆใใใใจใชใใงใใใใ่ชๅใฎใชใบใ ใ21ใใผใธใใชใใ ใใใงใใใๆฐๆใกใใใใผใ ใๅฒใฃใฆใใใใงOKใ ๏ผใใฃใฆๆใฃใฆๆฐใใใจใ ใใใ21ใใผใธใใ ใจใใใพใซใใผใ ใ19ใใผใธใงใใใๆใใใฃใใใงใใใใใใใๆใฏใกใใฃใจ้ๅปถใณใใฆใใๅฐ่ฑกใใใฃใใใใใใพใใใใใฏใ21ใใผใธใงใใผใ ใๅฒใฃใฆ่ฆใใชใ้จๅใใซใใใใฆใ่ฆใใใจใใใฏใใฃใใ่ฆใใฆๅ็ธฎใใฆใใใใจใง้ฃ่ผ1ๆฌๅใฎใกใชใใชใใคใใฎใ ใใใใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใไธญๅฟใซๆ ๅฝใใใฆใใใใใงใใใๅฐ่ฑกๆทฑใๅ ็ใฎ่จ่ใชใฉใใใพใใใ๏ผ
โ ๅใฏ1ๅนดใใใใงๆ ๅฝใ้ขใใใใจใซใชใฃใใใงใใใๆฌกใฎๆ ๅฝใซๆฟใใใพใใฃใฆๆใซๅ ็ใใใใใๆฟใใฃใกใใใฎ๏ผใ็ญใใชใ๏ผใใชใใใใใชๆฐใใใฆใใใ ใใชใใใจใใใ่ฉฑใฏใใใพใใใๅไปปใฎไฝใ ๆจใๅฃๅ ใ1ๅนดใใใใ ใฃใใฏใใงใ็งใใใใงใใใๅ ็ใจใใฆใฏๆ ๅฝใจใฎ้ขไฟใใใฃใจ็ฏใใ้ ใซใพใไบคๆฟใจใใใฎใ่พใใฃใใฎใ ใจๆใใพใใๅ่ช่บซใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๆ ๅฝใซใชใฃใฆๆ้ทใใใฆใใใฃใ้จๅใใใกใใใกใๅคงใใใๅ ็ใฎใปใใๅใใ10ๆญณใปใฉๅนดไธใชใใงใใใๅนด้ฝขใฏ้ขใใฆใใฆใๅฏพ็ญใจใใๆใใงใใใใฆใใใ ใใพใใใไปใงใใใใงใใๅ ็ใฎๆ่ฆใฏ้ๅธธใซ่ฅใใฆใใใใใใฆ่ชๅใใๅนดไธใชใใใใชใใใจ้ฏ่ฆใใๆใใใใใใใๅฐๅนดใจใใใ้ๅนดใจใใใใใใฎๅนดไปฃใฎๆ่ฆใฎใพใพใง็ฉไบใ่ใใฆๆใใฆใใใจใใๆใใใใพใใใ ใใใใฃใจ่ฆใ็ฎใ่ฅใใพใพใ ใ (็ฌ)ใไฝๅใๆไปฃใซๅฏพๅฟใงใใใใ ใจๆใใพใใญใ50ไปฃใจใใๅ ็ใฎๅฎ้ใฎๅนด้ฝขใง็ฉไบใ่ใใฆใใใใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใฎใใใชไฝๅใฏ้ข็ฝใๆใใชใใงใใใใใใใใใฃใๆๅณใง่ๆจๅ ็ใใใธใงใธใงใใๅธธใซ้ฒๅใใฆใใฆใๆฅใ ๆฐใใใใ ใใใใธใงใธใงใใฏ่ฏใใใใใชใใฎใใชใจๆใใพใใๅ ็ใฎๆฐๆใกใ็ถใ้ใใใใธใงใธใงใใจใใใฟใคใใซใชใฎใใฉใใๅใใใชใใใฉๆฐใใใใฎใ็ใพใใฆใใใใใใชๆฐใใใฆใใพใใ
Q: Part 6 had the first female protagonist. Was this Araki-sensei's idea?
Azuma: That's right. As a shonen magazine editor, I politely asked him to make the protagonist a boy, but he refused in 3 seconds (laughs). The readers of Weekly Shonen Jump wouldn't accept a female lead, which is why I wanted him to change it, but he just replied, "That's exactly why we're doing it".
Looking back at the series's popularity at the time, I still believe that a male protagonist would have been better. However, considering the long history of the JoJo series, I also think that it was overwhelmingly beneficial that the Part 6 lead was female. I get the impression that Araki-sensei is the type of person who won't repeat the same thing twice. He is the type of artist who constantly takes on new challenges, so maybe he instinctively knew he'd lose the motivation to draw if he chose a male protagonist just for notoriety's sake.
It was around then that strong female leads had also begun appearing in films, so perhaps he thought the time was right. If he really cared about gaining popularity, he could have just made the protagonist something like a "miniature" version of Jotaro from Part 3. He wouldn't do that though, he's the type of artist who has to continue fighting.
Q: From an editor's point of view, what type of artist did Araki-sensei seem like at the time?
Azuma: He could construct both the characters and the story firmly in his head and always met deadlines, making him very easy to work with and highly valued by the editorial department. I suppose I was chosen to be Araki-sensei's editor because the higher-ups thought that our hobbies were similar, rather than my suitability as a manga editor. Much like Araki-sensei, I also love music and films, and I know pretty much all of the music that he listens to. I think the editorial department considered it important that Araki-sensei was able to work comfortably. I had the privilege of working for him for two-and-a-half years, but at that point only about 5 of my ideas were used (laughs).
โโ็ฌฌ5้จใใๆ ๅฝใใใฆใใพใใใๅ ็ใใใใผใ็ใชใใจใ่ใใใใจใฏใใใพใใ๏ผ
โ ใ็ฌฌ5้จใฏ้ๅฃๅใใใใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใฏ่ใใฆใใพใใใใไธปไบบๅ ฌใฏใธใงใซใใงใฏใใใใใฉใใใผใ ใฎ่ชฐใใไธปไบบๅ ฌใงใใใใจใใๅฝขใซใใใใใจใใใใจใ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใญใ็ฌฌ5้จใซ้ใใไธป่ฆใญใฃใฉใไฝไบบใๆญปใฌๅฑ้ใๅคใใงใใใใใใฏๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใใชใขใซใชไธ็ใงๆใใใใใ่ชฐใๆญปใชใชใใชใใฆๆใๅพใชใใใจใใฃใๆฐๆใกใใใฃใใใ ใใใจๆใใพใใไบบๆฐใๅใใใใซ่ชฐใใๆญปใชใใฆ็ใไธใใใจใใฃใใใใใใ็บๆณใงใฏใชใใฆใใฎใชใฎใชใฎๅฝใใใฎๆฆใใใใฃใฆใใใใ ใใ่ชฐใใๆญปใฌใฎใฏๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใฏๅฟ ็ถใ ใฃใใใงใใใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ5้จใฎใ้ป้ใฎ้ขจใใ็ฌฌ6้จใฎใในใใผใณใชใผใทใฃใณใใจใใฃใๅ้จใฎใตใใฟใคใใซใฏๆฑใใใฎๆ ๅฝๆไปฃใซไปใใใใใใฎใงใใญใ
โ ใใใฏๆฌกใฎ็ฌฌ6้จใฎในใฟใผใใจ้ขไฟใใฆใใพใใใใธใงใธใงใใฏ้ทๆ้ฃ่ผใงใ้ฑๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใWJ) ใฎ็ๆฟไฝๅใ ใใ้่ชใจใใฆใๅฟ ่ฆใจใใใใจใง็ฌฌ5้จใ็ตใใฃใฆใ้ฃ่ผใฏ็ถใใฆใใใ ใใใใใจใใใฎใ็ทจ้้จใฎ่ใใ ใฃใใใงใใใไธๆนใง้ฃ่ผใ้ทใใใฆๆฐ่ฆ่ชญ่ ใๅ ฅใใฅใใใจใใๅ้ก็นใใใฃใใใงใใใใใง็ฌฌ5้จใฎๅฎ็ตใ่ฆใใๆฎต้ใงใ็ทจ้้จใใใไธปไบบๅ ฌใฎๅๅใฏใธใงใธใงใงใใใใใใธใงใธใงใฎๅฅๅฆใชๅ้บใใจใใใฟใคใใซใฏๅคใใใใชใใใใจใใ็ธ่ซใใใฆใใพใใใฟใคใใซใๆฐใใใใใใจใงๆฐ้ฃ่ผใจใใไฝ่ฃใใจใใไปใพใง่ชญใใใจใๆฌ้ ใใฆใใ่ฅใ่ชญ่ ใๅใ่พผใใงใใใใจใใ่ใใใใงใใญใ็ฌฌ4้จใจใ็ฌฌ5้จใจใใใจใใฉใใใฆใไปใพใง่ชญใใงใใชใใฃใไบบใซใฏใใผใใซใ้ซใใจๆใใใฆใใใฟใใใชใฎใงใใใ ใ่ๆจๅ ็ใจใใฆใฏใใฉใใพใง่กใฃใฆใใใธใงใธใงใใชใใ ใใใใใใใๅฐๆๅ ใฎๅฏพๅฟใฏใฉใใชใฎ๏ผใใจใใใ่ใใงใใใใใซใใใใใฃใจใใชใใงใใใใงใในใใผใณใชใผใทใฃใณใใจใใใตใใฟใคใใซใ่ใใฆใใใฃใฆใใใธใงใธใงใฎๅฅๅฆใชๅ้บใใจไธฆในใฆๅ ฅใใพใใใใจใใๅฝขใซ่ฝใก็ใใใใงใใใ ใใ็ฌฌ6้จใฎๆๅใฎ้ ใฎ้ฃ่ผๆใงใฏใในใใผใณใชใผใทใฃใณใใจใใใฟใคใใซใ็ตๆงๅคงใใๅบใฆใใใฏใใงใใใใงใใฟใคใใซใใใใใใใจๆฑบใพใฃใ้ ใซๅ ็ใใใใฏใใใจ็ดใๆธกใใใฆใใใใใ็ฌฌ1้จใใ็ฌฌ5้จใฎใฟใคใใซใใใใใญ๏ผใ่ใใใใใใฃใฆ (็ฌ)ใใ ใใๅ้จใฎใตใใฟใคใใซใฏ็ฌฌ6้จใใใฃใใใซใชใฃใฆใพใใญใใใใจ็ฌฌ6้จใฎๆใซใใใฒใจใค็ทจ้้จใใใ้กใใใใใจใใใฃใฆใใใใฏใๅๅใชๆบๅๆ้ใ็จๆใใใฎใงใๆฐไฝใจใใฆใผใญใใในใฟใผใใใฆใปใใใใจใใใใฎใงใใใใใใๆฐ่ฆ่ชญ่ ใฎ้ๆใ็ใฃใฆใฎใใจใงใใ ใใ็ฌฌ6้จใฎ้ฃ่ผ้ๅงใฏ็ฌฌ5้จ็ตไบใใๅๅนดๅพใงใใใใใในใใผใณใชใผใทใฃใณใใ่ชญใใจๅใใใใงใใใฉใในใฟใณใใจใฏไฝใใใจใใฃใๅบ็ค็ใชใจใใใใไธๅฏงใซ่ชฌๆใใคใคๅฑ้ใใฆใใใใงใใใ
โโใในใใผใณใชใผใทใฃใณใใงใฏๅๆๆ ่กใซใ่กใใใใใงใใใญใ
โ ็ฌฌ6้จในใฟใผใๅใฎๆบๅๆ้ไธญใ ใฃใใฎใง1999ๅนดใฎ็ง้ ใ ใฃใใจๆใใพใใใขใกใชใซใฎใใญใชใใไธญๅฟใซไธ้ฑ้ใใใใ ใฃใใใชใ่กใฃใฆใใพใใใใใฎๆใฎใฌใคใใใใฎใๅฎถๆใๅถ็ถใซใ่ญฆๅฏ้ขไฟใฎๆนใงใใใฎใคใฆใงๅๅๆใฎๅ ้จใ็นๅฅใซ่ฆใใฆใใใใใใใฆใใใใใฌใขใชไฝ้จใใใใฆใใใใพใใใใใใฏๆฌๅฝใซใฉใใญใผใงใใใญใใใใใใฐๅๅๆใฎๅ ้จใ่ฆใฆใใๆใ้ไธญใงๅ ็ใฎๆฐๅใๆชใใชใฃใใใใใใจใใใใพใใใๆๅๆงใ่ฑใใชไบบใชใฎใงใ่ชๅใ้ใใใใใใใใใจใ่ฒใ ่ใใกใใฃใใฎใใใใใชใใงใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ6้จใฏใทใชใผใบๅใฎๅฅณๆงไธปไบบๅ ฌใงใใใใใฎใขใคใใขใฏๅ ็ใใ๏ผ
โ ใใใงใใๅฐๅนดๆผซ็ป่ชใฎ็ทจ้่ ใจใใฆๅใฏใ็ทใฎๅญใซใใฆใใ ใใใใฃใฆใ้กใใใใใ ใใฉ3็งใงๅดไธใใใพใใ (็ฌ)ใWJใงใฏๅฅณๆงใไธปไบบๅ ฌใ ใจๅใใชใใจใใใฎใใใฃใใฎใง็ทๆงใซใใฆใใใใใใฃใใใ ใใฉใๅ ็ใฏใใ ใใใใใใ ใใจ (็ฌ)ใใใ ใๆใใฐใใฎๆใฎไบบๆฐใ ใใง่ใใใๅใฏไปใงใ็ทๆงไธปไบบๅ ฌใ่ฏใใฃใใจใใๆ่ฆใงใใ (็ฌ)ใใใธใงใธใงใใฎ้ทใๆญดๅฒใ่ใใใจ็ฌฌ6้จใๅฅณๆงไธปไบบๅ ฌใซใใใใจใฏใใผใฟใซใจใใฆๅงๅ็ใซ่ฏใใฃใใจๆใใพใใใจใใใฎใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏๅคๅใๅใใใจใ2ๅใงใใชใใฟใคใใ ใจๆใใใงใใใๅธธใซๆๆฆใใฆใใใฟใคใใฎไฝๅฎถใใใชใฎใงใใไบบๆฐใๅใใใใซ็ทๆงไธปไบบๅ ฌใซใใใไฝๅใๆใใขใใใผใทใงใณใฏไฟใฆใชใใ ใใใใจใใใฎใๆฌ่ฝ็ใซๅใใฃใฆใใใฎใใใใใพใใใญใๅฝๆใฏๆ ็ปใงใใๅผทใๅฅณไธปไบบๅ ฌใใจใใใฎใใใฃใใๅบใฆใใฆใใพใใใใใใใใๆๆฆใใฆใ่ฏใใใใใชใใ๏ผใใฟใใใชใใจใ่ใใใใฆๆขใใฆๅฅณๆงไธปไบบๅ ฌใซใใใฎใใใใใพใใใๆฎ้ใซไบบๆฐใๅใใใจใ ใใ่ใใใฎใชใ็ฌฌ3้จใฎๆฟๅคช้ใฎใใใใฅใขใฟใใใชไธปไบบๅ ฌใซใใฆใไบๆตใใใฃใฆใใใฐใใใใใงใใใใใงใใใใใใใจใฏใใใใชใใใๅธธใซๆฆใ็ถใใชใใจใใใชใใฟใคใใฎไฝๅฎถใใใชใใงใใใใญใ
โโ็ทจ้่ ใใ่ฆใฆใๅฝๆใฎ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใฉใใชไฝๅฎถใซ่ฆใใพใใใ๏ผ
โ ใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใในใใผใชใผใ่ชๅใฎไธญใงใใฃใใ็ตใฟ็ซใฆใใฟใคใใงใ็ท ๅใๅฎ็งใซๅฎใใจใใ้ๅธธใซไปไบใใใใใใไฝๅฎถใใใงใใใใ็ทจ้้จใฎไธญใงใใใใใ่ฉไพกใ้ซใไบบใงใใใใชใฎใงๅใๆ ๅฝใซ้ธใฐใใใฎใๆผซ็ป็ทจ้่ ใฎ้ฉๆงใจใใใใใฏใ่ถฃๅณ็ใช้จๅใงๅ ็ใจ่ฉฑใๅใใใใใชใใใจไธใฎไบบใ่ใใใใใใใชใใงใใใญใๅใ้ณๆฅฝๅฅฝใใๆ ็ปๅฅฝใใงใใใๅ ็ใฎ่ดใใฆใใ้ณๆฅฝใใ ใใใๅใใใพใใใใๅ ็ใซๆฐๆใกใใไปไบใใใฆใใใ ใใใฐใใจใใ็ทจ้้จใฎ่ใใใใฃใใใ ใจๆใใพใใๅฎ้ใ2ๅนดๅๆ ๅฝใใใฆใใใ ใใฆใๅใฎๅบใใใขใคใใขใฃใฆใ5ๅใใใใใๆก็จใใใฆใใพใใใ (็ฌ)ใ
โโๅ ็ใฏใใฉใใชไบบๆใงใใใใใ
โ ้ๅธธใซใใฃใกใใใไบบใงใใญใใใญๆ่ญใ้ซใใฆใๅธธใซไปไบๆๅชๅ ใงๅ จๅๆ็ใๆ้ซใฎใฌใใซใงไปไบใใงใใใใใซ็ฐๅขไฝใใๅซใใฆใใฃใกใใจใใใฆใใพใใๅๆใซใชใณใจใชใใฎๅใๆนใใใฃใกใใใฆใใฆใไผใๆใฏๅ จๅใงไผใฟใพใ (็ฌ)ใๅใๆ ๅฝใใฆใใๆใฏๅไฝตๅทใฎไผใฟใๅนด3ๅใๅนดๆซๅนดๅงใจGWใจใ็ใซใใใใงใใใๆฏๅใคใฟใชใขใซๆ ่กใใใฆใใๅฐ่ฑกใงใใญใใใฉใคใดใงใผใใจไปไบใใใฃใกใๅใใใฟใคใใงใๅฝๆใฏไธปใซๆผซ็ปๆฅญ็ไปฅๅคใฎๆนใจ้ใใงใใๆใใงใใใญใใชใฎใงใ่ๆจๅ ็ใWJใฎๆฐๅนดไผใซๅบๅธญใใใๆใชใใใฏๅคงๅคใงใใใใWJใฎไฝๅฎถใใใซใ่ๆจๅ ็ใใกใณใฏใใฃใฑใใใใฎใงใๅฒใพใใกใใฃใฆใ้ฃ่ผไฝๅฎถใใใงใ่ๆจๅ ็ใซไผใใๆฉไผใฏๆป ๅคใซใชใใฃใใฎใงใใไปๅนดใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใๆฐๅนดไผใซๆฅใใใใ๏ผใใฟใใใชๆใใซใชใฃใฆใ้ไธญใงๅธฐใใใจใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใใใพใ ่ฉฑใใฆใใชใไฝๅฎถใใใใใใใๅผใ็ใใฆใใใใฃใฆๅฏ็ทจ้้ทใซ้ ผใพใใใฎใๆถใใฆใใพใ (็ฌ)ใ
โโๅฒใจใ่ชๅใฎไธญใงใใใใใฃใฆใใใใซใผใซใจใๆฑบใใใฟใคใใงใใ๏ผ
โ ใใใงใใญใใซใผใซใจใใใใๆฑบใใใจใจใใใใใ่ชๅใงๆฑบใใฆใใใใใใฃใกใๅฎใๆนใงใใใญใไปไบใซๅใๅใไธใงใฎๆฑบใใใจใใใฃใฑใใใฃใใจๆใใพใใใ็ๆดปๅ จ่ฌใซใ่ฒใ ใใใพใใใใๅฝๆใฎใใฎใงๅฐ่ฑกๆทฑใใฃใใฎใฏใใๆฐๅฎฟไปฅๅคใซใฏ่กใใชใใใฃใฆใใๆฑบใใใจใงใใใญใใใใฏใ่ฒทใ็ฉใจใใใใฆใใฎใใจใฏๆฐๅฎฟใฎไผๅขไธน็้ใงใพใใชใใใฎใงใๅบๆฌๆฐๅฎฟไปฅๅคใซใฏๅบใใใใใชใใใใไปฅๅคใฎ่กใจใใซใฏ่กใใชใใใจใซใใฆใใใใจใใใใฎใ ใฃใใใงใใใๅฝๆๅ ็ใฏๆฏ้ฑ้ๆๆฅใฏๆ ็ป้คจใซ่กใๆฅใจๆฑบใใฆใใใใงใใญใใจใใใ่ฆณใใๆ ็ปใไพใใฐๆธ่ฐทใฎๅ้คจใญใผใใทใงใผใ ใฃใใใใใจใใ่ฆณใใ๏ผใใงใๆธ่ฐทใ ใใ่กใใชใใใฃใฆใใใฎใใใใๆฌๅฝใซ็ๅฃใซๆฉใ (็ฌ)ใไปไบบใใใใใฐ่กใใฐใใใใใชใใงใใใใจใใใใจใใใใใชใใใฉใๆฑบใใกใใฃใไปฅไธใฏๅบๆฌ็ใซๆฒใใชใไบบใงใใใใฒใจใคใใชใใใใใซใใใจไปใฎ้จๅใๅดฉใใฆใใใจใใใฎใ็กๆ่ญใซใใฃใใฎใใใใใชใใงใใญใใๅธธใซๆ้ซใฎไฝๅใไฝใใใจใใ็ท ๅใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซๅฎใใใจใใๆฌไบบใฏๅฝใใๅใฎใใจใจ่ใใฆใใใจๆใใใงใใใๅธธใซ่ชๅใๅพใใๅฟใใใฃใฆใใใใใใใใ่ชๅใซใผใซใฟใใใชๆฑบใใใจใซ็นใใฃใฆใใใใใใชใใใจๆใใพใใใจใฏใใใWJใฎๆฐๅนดไผใฎๅ ดๆใ้ๅบงใจใ้ๅฑฑใ ใฃใใใใใจใ็ๅฃใซๆฉใใงใใใฎใฏใใใใใฃใใงใใญ (็ฌ)ใใใคใฟใชใขใใ่ฟใใใใชใใงใใ๏ผใใฃใฆ่จใฃใใใใ้ๅบงใฏใคใฟใชใขใใ้ ใใ๏ผใใฃใฆ่ฟใใใๆใฏ็ตถๅฅใใพใใ (็ฌ)ใใใกใใๆไปฃใๅนด้ฝขใซๅฟใใฆใซใผใซๆนๆญฃใใใฆใใใจๆใใใงใไปใฏๅคงไธๅคซใ ใจๆใใพใใโฆใ
โโๆฑใใใๆ ๅฝใใฆใใ้ ใซๅ ็ใฎ2ๅ็ฎใฎ็ป้ใJOJO A-GO!GO!ใใ็บๅฃฒใใใฆใใพใใ
โ ็ฌฌ1้จใใๆฐใใฆ10ๅนด่ฟใใ็ตใฃใฆใใฆใๅๆใใใฎใณใขใชใใกใณใฎๅนด้ฝขๅฑคใ20ๆญณใชใผใใผใจ้ซใใฃใใฎใฏๅใใฃใฆใใใฎใงใใใธใงใธใงใใซ้ขใใฆใฏๅคๆฎตใฏ้ซใใฆใใกใใใจใใใใฎใไฝใใฐๅใๅ ฅใใฆใใใใใฏใใ ใจใใๆ่ญใใใใพใใใ้ใซ่จใใจใ้ซใใฆใใใใใใกใใใจใใใใฎใไฝใใชใใจ่ฆๅใใใใใชใใจใๆใฃใฆใใพใใใๅฝๆใฎWJใงใฏๅคๆฎตใ้ซใใชใ็ป้ใงใ1800ๅใใใใไธ้ใๅญไพใ่ฒทใใๅคๆฎตใใใชใใจใใกใจใใๅธธ่ญใใใฃใใใงใใใๆขใใฆๅฎไพก6800ๅใจใใ่ฑช่ฏใใใฏในใฎใJOJO A-GO!GO!ใใไผ็ปใใพใใใๅฝ็ถใไธๅธใซใไผ็ปๆธใๅใใฆใใพใใใไธใ่ชฌๅพใใใฎใซ่ฆๅดใใใใใจใใใจใใใชใใจใใชใใใพใใใใใ ใใญใใจใใๆใใงใใคใพใๅใ ใใใใชใ็ทจ้้จใฎไธใๅใ่ช่ญใ ใฃใใใงใใใญใใพใใ็พ่กๆธใฟใใใชๆฌใไฝใใใใฃใฆใใๅใฎๅไบบ็ใช้กๆใใใฃใฆใใใใฏใใธใงใธใงใใใใชใใจๅบๆฅใชใใ ใใผใใฃใฆๆใฃใฆใใใงใใใฉ (็ฌ)ใ
โโใJOJO A-GO!GO!ใใฎๅฝๆใใใขใผใๆงใฎใใไฝๅฎถใใใ ใจ่ช่ญใใใฆใใ๏ผ
โ ใใใฏใใ็จๅบฆใฏๆใใฆใพใใใใฉใใพใใไปใฎใใใซGUCCIใจใณใฉใใใใใ็พ่ก้คจใงๅฑ่ฆงไผใใฃใฆใใ็พ่กๆๅธใใซ็น้ใใใใใจใใใใใพใงใฏใใใใซๆณๅใใๅบๆฅใชใใฃใใงใใใใใพใใ (็ฌ)ใใพใๅฝๆใฏWJใจใใ่ถ ใกใธใฃใผใชใจใใใง็ฌ่ชใฎไธ็ใใฒใจใใงๆญฉใๅญค้ซใฎๆผซ็ปๅฎถใจใใใคใกใผใธใงใใใญใ็ฑ็็ใชใใกใณใใใฆใไฝๅฎถ้ฃใฎไธญใงใ็ฌ็นใฎๅฐไฝใ็ฏใใฆใใฆใใกใคใณในใใชใผใ ใจใฏๅฅใฎๆๅณใงใฎ็ๆฟไฝๅฎถใจใใๆใใงใใใไฝๅฎถใจใใฆใใ็จฎใฎใญใฃใฉใ็ซใฃใฆใใใฎใงๅงๅ็ใชๅญๅจๆใฏใใใพใใใใใใใ ใใซใใฃใใ่งฆใใพใใใ่ฅใๆฐไบบไฝๅฎถใฎไธญใซใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใใ็ฅๆงใใจ่จใไบบใๅคใใฃใใงใใญใ
โโๅฝๆใฎๆใกๅใใใฏใใฉใใชในใฟใคใซใ ใฃใใใงใใใใใ
โ ๆใไปใๅคใใฃใฆใใชใใจๆใใพใใใใพใ้่ซใงใใใๆ ็ปใฎ่ฉฑใจใใ็คพไผใง่ฉฑ้กใซใชใฃใฆใใไบไปถใใใใฐ็ฏไบบใใฉใใใไบบ็ฉใชใฎใใ่ฉฑใใใใจใใใใใใฒใจ้ใ็ตใใฃใฆใใใใใๆใกๅใใใใพใใใใใจใใๆตใใซใชใๆใใงใใๅ ็ใใใใใใซในใฑใใใใใฏใ้ใใฆๅ ้ฑใพใงใฎๆตใใฎใกใขใๅ ฅใใฆใใใใใๆผซ็ปใฎๆใกๅใใใจใใๆใใงใใใใใใจๅฎใฏใใฎๆใกๅใใ็จใฎในใฑใใใใใฏใฎไปใซใใผใใ1ๅใใฃใฆใๅ ็ใฏๆใ ใใผใใใใ๏ฝโฆใใฃใฆ่ใใชใใใใฉใใฉใใจ่ฆใใใจใใใใพใใใญใใใใใใใผใซใผใงใ่ชๅใฎใซใผใใใณใฝ๏ฝใใจใใใใฃใฆ่ฆใๆใ๏ผ (็ฌ) ๅคๅใใใฎใใผใใซใฏๅ ็ใไบๅใซ่ชๅใง่ใใๆงใ ใชๅฑ้ๆกใใใฟใๆธใใฆใใใฏใใงใใๅใใใฎไธญ่บซใฏ่ฆใใใจใใชใใใงใใใ
โโใใฎใใผใใฏๆฐใซใชใใพใใญ (็ฌ)ใ
โ ใงใๆใกๅใใใฎๅงใใซใไป้ฑใฎใใผใใๆฑบใใใใงใใญใไพใใฐใใไป้ฑใฏๆตใฎใใใใ่ฆใใๅใ ใใจใใๅคงๆ ใฎใใผใใๆฑบใใฆใใใใใๅ ทไฝ็ใซใฉใใชใขใคใใขใใใใฎใใไธ็ทใซ่ใใใใงใใไพใใฐใๆตใฎใใใใ่ฆใใใใใซใใใใฃใฉใใฃใๆปๆใใใใใงใฏๅ ทไฝ็ใซใฉใใชๆปๆใชใใ ๏ผใใฟใใใซใใพใๅฎ้ใฏๅใ่ฒใ ใจๆใซใใคใใชใใใจใ่จใฃใฆใใใใใฏ้ใใ ใใผใใจใใใใใใใใใใใชใ๏ผใใฟใใใชใใจใ่จใใใฆใใใฎใใกใซๅ ็ใฎใขใคใใขใๅบใพใฃใฆใใใใฃใฆใใใใฟใผใณใงใใใใฉใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๆผซ็ปใฎใปใชใชใผใจใใฆใใๆฏ้ฑ1่ฉฑใซใคใใฒใจใคใฎใขใคใใขใๅ ฅใใใฐใใใใจใใใฎใใใฃใฆใๆฌฒๅผตใฃใฆใตใใคใใฟใฃใคใใขใคใใขใๅ ฅใใใจใใผใธใ่ถณใใชใใใๅๆพใใคใใชใใชใใใชใฎใงใใไป้ฑใฎใใฟใใฒใจใค่ใใใใใใจใใไฝๆฅญใงใใใญใไปใซใ่ฒใ ๆใใฆใใใ ใใพใใใญใไพใใฐใใๅฐๅนดๆผซ็ปใฎไธปไบบๅ ฌใฏๆฉใใใใใกใ ใใจใใใฎใใใใพใใใใใใฏไธปไบบๅ ฌใๆฆใใซใใใฃใฆใใใฉใใใฆๅใๆฆใใชใใใใใชใใฎ๏ผใใจใใใใใใ่ใใใใใ็ตถๅฏพใใกใไธปไบบๅ ฌใๆฉใใงใใใฎใฏใๅผทใๆตใใฉใใใฃใฆๅใใใใจใใๆใ ใใ ใใฃใฆใใใซใผใซใชใใงใใใใทใณใใซใชใใงใใใฉ่ๆจๅ ็ใซ่จใใใใจ้ๅธธใซ่ชฌๅพๅใใใฃใฆใ่ฅใๆผซ็ปๅฎถใใใฎๆใกๅใใใฎๆใจใใซๅฝน็ซใใใฆใใใใพใใใญใ
โโใๆตใใฉใๅใใใใซ้ไธญใใใฎใฏๅฐๅนดๆผซ็ปใฎ็้ใงใใญใ
โ ่ๆจไฝๅใฏๅฎๅ จใซ็้ใชใใงใใใใใจใใจใฎๆ นใฃใใฏใใใงใถใใฆใใชใใใงใใไปใฎไฝๅฎถใใใจใฏ้ใฃใใปใณในใๆใฃใฆใใใใใใใใใไฝ้ขจใซใชใใใงใใ
โโใงใใใใใใใธใงใธใงใใฎๅคงใใช้ญ ๅใ ใจๆใใพใใ
โ ใใใงใใญใใใใๆใฏไบบใชใใใฃใฆ่จใฃใฆใใใฎไบบใฎๆธใๆ็ซ ใซใฏไบบๆใๅบใฆใใใใฟใใใซ่จใใใพใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใ่ฆใฆใใใจใใๆผซ็ปใฏไบบใชใใใฃใฆๆใใพใใญใๆญฃ็ดใใธใงใธใงใใฎ็ปๅ ดไบบ็ฉใฃใฆใใใฎใฏใ่ๆจๅ ็่ช่บซใงใใใใญใใใธใงใธใงใใฎไธปไบบๅ ฌใใกใใใฎไธใซ็ใๅใใฆใๅทฑใฎ็บใใจใใใ็บใใใจใใๆใใงใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใๆผซ็ปๅฎถใจใใฆ็บใในใใจใใใ็บใใใจใใๆใใงใๅใใ่ฆใใจในใใคใใฏใชใพใงใซไฝๅใซ่บซใๆงใใฆใใใฎใฏใใใใใชใจๆใใพใใญใใพใๅ ็ใซ่จใใจใใใใชใฎๅฝใใๅใงใใ๏ผใใฃใฆๆใใใใใงใใใฉโฆ (็ฌ)ใ
Q: Part 7 takes place in a parallel world from the rest of JoJo up to that point. What were Araki-sensei's thoughts on this?
Shima: From his point of view, "it's alright if it's not connected to Part 6, right?" On the topic of Part 6, he also said, "That's just one of the many Stone Oceans." By the end of Part 6, he had told me about his plans for Part 7, but only in vague terms like, "The next part is about the steel ball." So at first I had no idea what he was talking about (laughs).
โโๆ ๅฝใใใใฎใฏใฉใใใใฉใใพใงใงใใ๏ผ
โ ็ฌฌ6้จใฎ้ไธญใๅ่กๆฌใงใใใจ็ฌฌ70ๅทปใฎใฆใจในใใฆใใใฎใใใใใใงใใ็ฌฌ7้จใฏๅ ็ใจไธ็ทใซใขใกใชใซใซๅๆๆ ่กใซ่กใฃใฆ็ฌฌ1่ฉฑใๅ ฅ็จฟใใ้ ใ ใจๆใใพใใฎใงใๆ้็ใซใฏ3ๅนด้ใใใใงใใญใ
โโๅๆใซ่กใใใใฎใฏใใค้ ๏ผ
โ 2003ๅนด7ๆ้ ใงใใญใ่ๅฐใๅ็ฑณใซใใใใจใฏๅ ็ใฎไธญใงๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใใฎใงใใซใชใใฉใซใใขๅทใฎใญใตใณใผใซในใใใตใณใใฃใจใดใใขใชใพใๅทใฎใฐใฉใณใใญใฃใใชใณใชใฉใไธ้ฑ้ใใใใงๅใฃใฆใใพใใใใใใใใฐใใฎๆ ใฎ้ไธญใงใฎใจใใฝใผใใชใใงใใใฉใใฐใฉใณใใญใฃใใชใณใงๅ ็ใๆใๆฑใใใฎใๆงใใๅฐ้ขใซ้ใใใใซใใฆๆค็ฉใๆฎใฃใฆใใใใงใใญใใกใใฃใจๆๅใใฆใๅใๆฎใใพใใใใ๏ผใใจ่ฉฑใใใใใไธ็ฅใใใใใซใๆฎใใใใใใๅๆใซๆฎใใฐใใจใใใฎไฝใพใใฏใ้ฒไผดใใใจๆใใพใฏใพใฏใใพใใใญใ
โโใณใใใฏใน็ฌฌ18ๅทปใฎใณใกใณใใซใใใๆฏใใใซๆใใใใใจๆธใใฆใใพใใญ (็ฌ)ใ
โ ใใใฒใจใคๅใฏ้ซๆใ่ฆๆใงใฐใฉใณใใญใฃใใชใณใงใฏๅฎ้็ใใๅฟๅฐใใใชใใฃใใฎใงใใใๅ ็ใฏใใใฆใฎใชใฎใชใฎๅดใฃใทใกใพใง่กใฃใฆใๅ จ็ถๆใใชใใใใใฃใกๆฅใใ๏ผใใจใใณใใณใใชใใๆๆใใใใจใใโฆใใใชใใฃใผใใณใฐใชใจใใใใใฃใใใใพใใญใๅ ็ใฎๅๆในใฟใคใซใชใใงใใใใจใซใใ่กใๅ ดๆ่กใๅ ดๆใงๅพนๅบ็ใซ้ขจๆฏใชใ360ๅบฆๅ จ้จใๅปบ็ฉใชใใใขใใๅฃ็ดใป่ชฟๅบฆๅใซ่ณใใพใง่งฆใใใใฎๅ จใฆใๆฎๅฝฑใใฆใใๆใใงใใใใงใใใไธใๆใฎๆปๅจๆ้ใ็ธๅฝใชใใฎใงใใใ้ฃไบใใใขใกใชใซใซใฏๅฅฝใใช้ฃใใใใชใใใใใใใใผใฌใผใญใณใฐใงใใใใ ใใญใใจใใใพใงๅๆๅชๅ ใงใใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ6้จใฎ้ไธญใใๆ ๅฝใจใฎใใจใงใใใไฝๅใฎใใผใ็ใชใใจใฏใ่ฉฑใใใใพใใใ๏ผ
โ ๅ ็ใใ็ดๆฅใ่ฉฑใใใใ ใใใจใฏใใใพใใใงใใใใๆใกๅใใใ้ใญใไธญใงใไบบ้ใฎ้็็นใใ็ชใ่ฉฐใใใฎใ็ฌฌ6้จใชใฎใใชใจ่ใใฆใใพใใใฉในใใซๅใใฆใฎๅพๅซใใกใจใใใ็ฅ็ถใฎๆฆใใ่ไฝใจ็ฒพ็ฅไธกๆนใๆฅตใใใใใซใใใชใใงใใใใ้็ใ่ถ ใใฆๅผทใใชใฃใฆใใใใจใใใฎใ1990ๅนดไปฃใฎWJใฎ็้ใ ใจใใใฐใใใใๅ ็ใฎ่งฃ้ใงๆใใใฎใ็ฌฌ6้จใงใฏใชใใใจใ่จใๆนใๅคใใใจใ้ๅฝใไนใ่ถใใใใจใใใใธใงใธใงใใซใผใซใฎๆๅคง้ฒๅๅฝขใงใใญใใใใชๅฐ่ฑกใๆใฃใฆใใพใใใฎใงใใใใ้ๅคงๆใชใฎใใชใใใใใใใใใใใงใใธใงใธใงใใฏๅบๅใใใคใใฎใใชใใจใ่ใใๆๆใใใใพใใใญใ่ๆจๅ ็ๆ ๅฝใชใ่ชฐใใๆใใใจใงใใใWJ้ฃ่ผ้ฃใฎไธญใงใๅฑๆใฎใใคใใณใทใงใณใ็ถญๆใใฆใใใฎใใใธใงใธใงใใจใใไฝๅใงใใฎใงไฝใจใๆช่ชญใฎ่ชญ่ ใซใไผใใใใฆๆฏๅทใฎใขใชใชใซใๆฐๅใๅ ฅใใพใใใ
โโ้ฃ่ผๅฝๆใใขใชใชใฎ็พ่ตฐๆใใใกใณใฎ้ใง่ฉฑ้กใซใชใฃใฆใใพใใใใใถใปใใฅใผ็ฅ็ถใใใNOๆญๅฟต!!ใใชใฉใฎใขใชใชใฏไปใใใกใณใซ่ชใ็ถใใใฆใใพใใ
โ ใใใๅ ็ใใๅ็จฟใใใใ ใใฆใ็ฅ็ถใใใชใ้ฐๅฒๆฐๅคใใใพใใใญใใจ่ฉฑใใพใใใใใๆๆฐๅ็ฅ็ถใงใใใใจใๆถใใฆใใฃใใใใชใใจๆใใพใใ (็ฌ)ใๅใๆ ๅฝๆใฎใขใชใชใฏๅฒใจ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎใใฃใใใ่จ่ใซใคใณในใใคใขใใใฆใใพใใใฎใงใๅ็จฟใใใงใใฏใใๆฎต้ใงใปใผๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใพใใใ
โโใใฟใช่ณชๅใงใใใๅฅฝใใชใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฏ๏ผ
โ ๆ ๅฝๅฝๆใๅพๅซๅดใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฏใฟใใชๆใๅ ฅใใใใใพใใใใฉใๆนใใฆๆใ่ฟใใจใใใ็ฅ็ถใงใใญใ็ฌฌ6้จใฎไธปไบบๅ ฌใฏใใใ็ฅ็ถใ ใฃใใฎใ ใชใใจๆใใพใใDIOใฎๆๅฟใ็ถใใ ใจใฏใใใใใใพใง็ด็ฒใซ่ช่บซใฎ้กๆใ่ฒซใๆตๅฝนใ็ใใใฎใงใฏใชใใงใใใใใใใจใไฝๆ ใใใใ็ฅ็ถใฎๅฐ่ฉใ ใใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใ่ช่บซใฎๅฃฐใงไผใใฃใฆใใใใงใใใๅฎใฃใฝใๆๆ ใงๅใใฆใใใใใใชใใ๏ผใใชใฉ่บซใฎๅผใ็ท ใพใๆใใใใพใใ
โโใใใ็ฅ็ถใฎใปใชใใ่ชญใใฐใๅ ็ใฎใใผใฏใชไธ้ขใ่ฆใใฆใใใใใใใพใใใญใ
โ ๅ ็ใฎใ่จ่ใชใฎใงใใใใใใผใฏใช้จๅใจใณใใซใซใช้จๅใซๅข็็ทใฏใชใใใจใใใใฃใใใฃใฆใพใใใๆๆใจ็ฌใใ็ธไบใซ่ปขๅใใใใฎใใใธใงใธใงใใฎ้ญ ๅใฎใฒใจใคใ ใจๆใใพใใใ็ฌฌ6้จใงใฏๆตๅดใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใใใใใซไบบ้็ใชๆทฑใใใใพใๆใๅฟ ่ฆใใชใใฃใๅใในใฟใณใใซใใๅจฏๆฅฝ่ฆ็ด ใ็ใ่พผใใงใใฃใฆใๆ ๅฝใจใใ็ซๅ ดๆใใงๆฏๅๆฅฝใใใงใใพใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ7้จใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฏWJใงใฎ้ฃ่ผในใฟใคใซใๆฏๅท30ใใผใธๅๅพใ10้ฑๅๅพๆฒ่ผใใๅ ็ใๆใใใใฆใใๅใณๆฒ่ผใจใใๅคๅ็ใชในใฟใคใซใงใใใญใ
โ ใใฎในใฟใคใซใซใชใฃใใฎใฏๅ ็ใใใๆฏ้ฑใฎ้ฃ่ผใใงใใชใใใจใฏใชใใใฉใใใฃใฑใพใใใจๆใใใ ใใญใใจใใใ่ฉฑใ้ ใใใใใงใใๅฐๆฅใ่ฆๆฎใใฆใใใใง่ฒใ ใจๅใฃใใใพใใใใใใชใใใใจใใๆฐๆใกใๆใใใใใใใชใใงใใใใใ
โโใฟใคใใซใใใธใงใธใงใฎๅฅๅฆใชๅ้บใใๅคใใฆใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎใฟใจใชใฃใฆใใพใใ
โ ใฟใคใใซใฎไปถใฏใ็ฌฌ6้จ้ๅงๆใจๅใใ็ทจ้้จใใใฎ่ฆๆใ ใฃใใฏใใงใใใใธใงใธใงใใงใฏใชใๆฐใใไฝๅใไฝใฃใฆใปใใใจใใๆๅณใใใฃใฆใฎใใจใงใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ7้จใฏใใใพใงใฎใใธใงใธใงใใฎใใฉใฌใซใฏใผใซใ็ใชไธ็ใชใใงใใใใใใซใคใใฆๅ ็ใฎ่ใใฏ๏ผ
โ ๅ ็็ใซใฏใๅฅใซ็ฌฌ6้จใพใงใจ็นใใฃใฆใชใใฆใใใใใใใชใ๏ผใใจใใ่ฉฑใงใใใ็ฌฌ6้จใซใคใใฆใใใใใฏใใใคใใใในใใผใณใชใผใทใฃใณใฎไธญใฎใฒใจใคใชใใ ใใญใใจใ็ฌฌ6้จใฎ็ตใใ้ ใซใฏ็ฌฌ7้จใฎๆงๆณใๅ ็ใใไผบใฃใฆใใใใงใใใ็ซฏ็ใซใๆฌกใฏ้็ใชใใ ใใญใใฟใใใชๆใใงใใใใฃใใใใชใใฎใงใๆๅใฏใใฃใฑใๅใใใชใใฃใใงใใญ (็ฌ)ใใใ ๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใฏใ่ๅฐใฏใขใกใชใซใใใดใผใซใ็ฎๆใๅฑ้ใใๅๆๆ ่กใๅฟ ่ฆใใจใใฃใใใจใฏๆฑบใใใใฆใพใใใญใ
โโๅ ็ใฏ้ ไฝใฏๆฐใซใใชใใจใใ่ฉฑใๆญดไปฃๆ ๅฝใใใ่ฉฑใใใฆใใพใใใ็ฌฌ6้จใ็ฌฌ7้จใฎๅฝๆใๅใใงใใ๏ผ
โ ใพใฃใใๆฐใซใใใพใใใงใใใ็ฌฌ6้จใฏ3ๅนดใใใ้ฃ่ผใ็ถใใใใงใใWJใฎ้ฃ่ผไผ่ญฐใงใ็ตใใใๆค่จใใใใใจใใฃใ่ฉฑใฏๅบใฆใใชใใฃใใงใใญใ
โโๅฝๆใฎๆใกๅใใใฏใใฉใใใฃใในใฟใคใซใ ใฃใใใงใใ๏ผ
โ ๅใฎๅ ดๅใฏๅใฎ้ฑใซ่ฆใๆ ็ปใไธปใซใใฉใผใใตในใใณในๆ ็ปใงใใๅ ็ใฎใขใณใใใซๅผใฃใใใใใใช่ฉฑ้กใ่ฉฑใใจใใใใๅงใใฆใใพใใใใใใใ้่ซใใๅ ็ใฎๆ่ๆ้ใซๅ ฅใใพใใฆใ้ไธญใๅ ็ใฎ้ ญใฎไธญใง็ใพใใ็ๅใซ้ฉๅฎๅฏพๅฟใใฆใใใจใใในใฟใคใซใงใใญใใใใใใญใชใใฃใฆ่ไฝๆจฉใฉใใชใฃใฆใใ ใฃใ๏ผใใจใใงใใญใใใฐใใใใฆใใใใใซใใงใใ๏ผใใจใใๅใใใๆ็จในใฑใใใใใฏใๅบใใใจ็ฟ้ฑใฎใใญใใใๆตใใใใใซๆธใ่พผใพใใฆใใๆใใงใใใใใใใใงใใไปๅใฏใฉใใช่ฉฑใซ๏ผใใใใใใๆใใใใชใใชใ็ฅใใใ๏ผใใใใใใใใใใไฝใจใโฆใใจใใใใๅใใใใฃใใใใพใ (็ฌ)ใ
โโใใใใใใฏ้ฒไผดใฃใฝใใงใใญโฆใ็ทจ้่ ใใ่ฆใฆใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใฉใใชใฟใคใใฎไฝๅฎถใ ใจๆใใฆใใพใใ๏ผ
โ ๆใใใใใผใใใใใใใๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใฆใๆฑบใใฆใใฌใชใใฟใคใใฎไฝๅฎถใงใใญใ้ ๅบใจใฏ้ใฃใฆใ้ ๅผทใช้ชจ็ตใฟใๆขใซใใใคใกใผใธใงใใใใใซๆฐใใๆ ็ปใปๆฌใป้ณๆฅฝใใใใฏๅใใจใฎ้่ซใฎไธญใใๆฌกใ ใจๆ ๅ ฑใๅๆจ้ธๆใใฆๅจฏๆฅฝ่ฆ็ด ใ่ไปใใใฆใใใๆๆตใซไนใฃใๆฐใใ่ฆ็ด ใ่ฒชๆฌฒใซๅธใไธใใฆใใๅฐ่ฑกใใใใพใใญใ
โโ่กใงใฏใชใ้กๆใๅธใ (็ฌ)ใ
โ ใใใฏๆใ่พผใฟใๅ ฅใฃใฆใใใฎใงใใใๅ ็ใฌใใซใฎไฝๅฎถใฏ็ก่ช่ฆใซ่ชๅใฎๅไธใจใๆญดๅฒใใใใฃใฆใใใใใใชใใใชใจๆใใใใจใใใใใงใใๅฝใ้ใฃใใๆไปฃใๅคใใฃใฆใ้ใใใ่ณๆใงๅ จไฝใๆๆกใใใใใ่ช่บซใฎ่งฃ้ใงๆใใใใใใฎใงใใใใ็นฐใ่ฟใใซใชใใพใใใๅ ็ใฎไธญใงๆใในใใใจใไฝใใ่ช่ฆใใฆใใใจๆใใพใใ
โโๆใๅ ๅฎนใฏใใๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใฆใใใใๅบๅใใฆใใใ ใใจใใใคใกใผใธ๏ผ
โ ๅบๅใใใ ใใใใคใพใใชใใใใใฒใจๆปใใๅ ใใฆใฟใฆโฆใจใใๆใใงใใๆผซ็ป้่ชใฎใฒใจใคใฎ้ ็นใงใใWJใงใไฝๅนดใซใใใใฃใฆ็ใๆฎใฃใฆๆใ็ถใใฆใใไฝๅฎถใฎๆนใ ใ่ฆใใจๆฌๅฝใซใใๆใใพใใ
โโ2010ๅนด้ ใใใฏๅคงใใชใใธใงใธใงใใ ใผใใกใณใใๆฅใพใใใญใ
โ ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใใ่ช่บซใจใๅฎถๆใๅจๅฒใๅผใๅฏใใใๅผๅใใๆใฃใฆใใฃใใใใจๆใใพใใ2003ๅนด4ๆใซใใชใงๅๅฑใ้ใใใใฎใงใใใใฎๆๅฅฅๆงใใใใคใๆฌงๅทใฎใใฉใณใใจใใธใงใธใงใใใณใฉใใงใใใฐ้ข็ฝใใใใญใใจใใฃใใใฃใฆใใพใใใใใฎๅพ2009ๅนดใฎใซใผใดใซ็พ่ก้คจใ2011ๅนดใฎGUCCIใจใฎใณใฉใใฌใผใทใงใณไผ็ปใจ็ตๆ็ใซใใธใงใธใงใ25ๅจๅนด๏ผใใใฅใผ30ๅจๅนดใ่ฟใใใฟใคใใณใฐใงๅฎ็พใใใใจใ่ใใพใใจใใใฏใๅถ็ถใงใฏใชใๅฟ ็ถใๆใใฆใใพใใพใใญใ
โโใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎๅ้ ญใใๆ ๅฝใใใฆใใพใใใใ้ฑๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใWJ) ใฎ้ฃ่ผใฏๅคๅ็ใชในใฟใคใซใงใใใญใ
โ ใใใงใใญใ็ญๆ้ไธญใจใใใใ10้ฑ่ผใใใใใฐใใไผใใงๆใใใพใฃใใๆฒ่ผใใฆโฆใใจใใๅคๅ็ใช้ฃ่ผในใฟใคใซใงใใใใชใฎใง่ฉฑๆฐใง่จใใฐๅใๅฎ้ใซๆ ๅฝใใใฎใฏ20้ฑๅใจใใใใใใใงใ้ไธญใงใใฆใซใใฉใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใUJ) ใซ็งป็ฑใใใฎใงๆ้ใง่จใฃใฆใ1ๅนด้ใใใใจ็ญใใงใใญใ
โโไธๅฎๆ้ฃ่ผใจใใในใฟใคใซใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใใใฎๆๆกใจใใ่ฉฑใงใใใ
โ ๅ ็ใใใฎ่ฆๆใ ใฃใใจ่ใใฆใใพใใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎ็ซใกไธใใซ้ขใใฆใฏๅฎใฏๅไปปใฎๅถใใใงใซใใ็จๅบฆใฎๆใกๅใใใใใพใใฆใใฆใๅ ็ใๅ็จฟใซๅ ฅใฃใฆใใ้ ใงใใใใใฎๆ็นใงใๅถใไป่ชใซ็ฐๅใจใชใฃใใฎใงๅใๆ ๅฝใใใใจใซใชใฃใใใงใใๅใฎๆ ๅฝใใ้ ใฏใ้ฃ่ผในใฟใคใซใจใ็งป็ฑใจใใฎไปถใๅซใใฆใๆญดไปฃๆ ๅฝใฎไธญใงใฏใใชใ็นๆฎใชๆๆใ้ใใใฆใใใจๆใใพใใ
โโWJใใUJใธใฎ็งป็ฑใฎ็ต็ทฏใ็ฅใใใใฎใงใใใ
โ WJใฏๅฐๅญฆ็ใใกใคใณใจใใๅฐๅนด่ชญ่ ใใฟใผใฒใใใฎ้่ชใงใใใใธใงใธใงใใฏWJใฎ็ๆฟไฝๅใฎใฒใจใคใ ใใๅ่กๆฌใๅฎๅฎใใไบบๆฐใงๆฐใๅบใฆใใใใงใใใ้ฃ่ผใ้ทใใชใใใกใณใฎๅนด้ฝขๅฑคใไธใใฃใฆใใใฎใใใจใใฃใ็ฉบๆฐใใ็ทจ้้จใงใ็ฌฌ6้จใฎ้ไธญใใใใใใใใพใใใใใใง็ฌฌ6้จใ็ตใใฃใใใจใใใใงใ็ทจ้้จใฎไธใฎใปใใจ่ๆจๅ ็ใจใง่ฉฑใๅใใใใใจ่ใใฆใใพใใใใฎๆใซใฏๅ ็ใใใๆใใใใใใจใใๆกใๅบใฆใใใฎใงใ็ทจ้้จใใใๆใใใในใฟใคใซใงๆฒ่ผใใพใใใใใใใธใงใธใงใใฎใฟใคใใซใฏๅคใใฆใๆฐใใไฝๅใจใใฆๆใใฆใปใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใซใชใใใชใฎใงใฟใคใใซใฏใใธใงใธใงใใงใฏใชใใใใญใฃใฉใฎๅๅใฏใธใงใธใงใ ใใฉ้ๅปใฎใทใชใผใบใจใ็นใใฃใฆใใใใใชใใใชใใใใชใใใใชๅฝขใงๆฐไฝใจใใฆๅงใพใฃใฆใพใใญใใใ ใใใฎๅใใๅ ็ใจใใฆใๆฎต้ใ่ธใใงWJใงใฏใชใไฝๅฆใใซ็งป็ฑใใใจใใใใจใใใใฃใจ่ใใฆใใใจๆใใพใใใใฎใใจใๅ ็ๅดใใใUJใซ่กใใใใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใใจใใใ่ฉฑใๅบใใฎใงใๅใฏใใใ็ทจ้้จใซๆใกๅธฐใฃใฆใไธๅธใซใ็ธ่ซใใฆโฆใใจใใๆตใใงใใใ
โโๆใกๅธฐใฃใฆ็ทจ้้จใฎๅๅฟใฏ๏ผ
โ ใใใๅฐใWJใงใใฃใฆใใใใชใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใๅใฎไธๅธใๅ ็ใซใใใใใงใใ็ตๅฑใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎใๆฐๆใกใใWJใฏใใใใใใชใใจใใใใจใงใใใฎใงใๅ ็ใใใใใฃใใใฃใฆใใใฎใชใโฆใจใใๆใใงใใใๅฝๆใฏๆๅ่ชใงใใใจUJใฎไปใซใๆๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใใใใใฃใใใงใใใๅ ็ใฏUJใฎไบ่คใจใฎใใคใใใใฃใใฎใง็งป็ฑๅ ใซUJใๅธๆใใใใใ ใจๆใใพใใ
โโใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใจใใใใใธใงใธใงใใฏใWJใฎ็ๆฟใฎใฒใจใคใงใใใใใใใชใใชใฃใใใจใงใ้่ช็ใซไฝใใใๅฝฑ้ฟใฏใใฃใใฎใงใฏใชใใงใใใใใ
โ ไปใงใใใใชใใงใใ้ทใ้ฃ่ผไฝๅใ็ตใใใจใใใฏใ่ชญ่ ใฎใขใใใผใทใงใณใ่ฝใกใใใงใใใใงใใใใใงๆฐใใไบบๆฐไฝๅใ็ซใกไธใใฆใ่ฝใกใใจใใใใพใๅธๅใใฆๅบไธใใใฆใใใจใใๆใใชใใงใใใใกใใ้ทๆ้ฃ่ผไฝใใชใใชใใใจใง้ขใใฆใใ่ชญ่ ใใใใใใใใฏใใชใฎใงๅฃฒใไธใ็ใซใๅฝฑ้ฟใใชใใฃใใใใงใฏใชใใใงใ่ๆจไฝๅใฏUJใจใใๅใ็ฟใๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใใใใงใๅๆฅญใจใใ่จใๆนใๅใฏใใกใฐใใใฃใใใใฆใใพใใญใ
โโไฝๅใฎ่ฉฑใซๆปใใพใใๅ ็ใใใฏใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใใฉใใใฃใๅฑ้ใซใใใใใจใใฃใๆงๆณใ่ใใฆใใพใใใ๏ผ
โ ใฉในใในใงใใๅคง็ตฑ้ ใซใคใใฆใฏใๅฝๆใฏใพใฃใใ่ฉฑใฏใใฆใใพใใใงใใใใใจใใจๅ ใฎๅฑ้ใฏๆฑบใ่พผใพใชใไฝๅฎถใใใงใใใใพใใฎใงใๅฝๆใฏใจใซใใใ็ด็ฒใซใฌใผในใฎ่ฉฑใ ใใจ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใ้บไฝใฎ่ฉฑใๅใๆ ๅฝใใฆใใๆใซๅบใ่จๆถใฏใชใใๅคง็ตฑ้ ใUJๆฒ่ผๆใใๅบใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใชใฎใงใใใฏใ่ตฐใใชใใ็ฉ่ชใไฝใฃใฆใใฃใใจใใๅฝขใฎใฏใใงใใ
โโใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใซใคใใฆใ็นใซๅฐ่ฑกๆทฑใใจใใฝใผใใฏใใใพใใ๏ผ
โ ใฉใฎไฝๅฎถใใใใใใงใใใๆ ๅฝใๆฟใใฃใฆใใพใใฎใฏๆฐๆใก่ฏใใชใใใจใ ใจๆใใใงใใใๅ ็ใใใใใ้จๅใใใฃใใฎใใๆๅใฎ้กๅใใใงใๅถใใใจใฏไธ็ทใซใขใกใชใซๅๆใซใ่กใฃใใใ ใใฉใชใใใจใใฃใใใจใใใญใใจใใฃใใใฃใฆใใใใใใฆใ่ นใๆฑบใใฆใใใญใฐ๏ผใใจใใใใงใใฒใจใใงใขใกใชใซใธๅๆๆ ่กใซ่กใใพใใใๅ ็ใจๅถใ่พฟใฃใใซใผใใใๅใใพใใฒใจใใง่พฟใใจใใ (็ฌ)ใ
โโใใใๆ ๅฝใซใชใฃใฆๆๅใฎไปไบ๏ผ
โ ใใใงใใๅ ็ใ่พฟใฃใใซใผใใๅใณ่พฟใใใจใงๅ ฑ้่จ่ชใใงใใใใใงใใใใฏๆใกๅใใใฎๆใใใใๅฝนใซใใกใพใใใใใใฎๅฑฑใฎๅฝขใใใใใจ่จใใใๆใซใใใใใใใงใใญใใจใใใใใใใใชใใใงใๆผซ็ปใฎ่ๆฏใฎ่ฆใๆนใ้ใฃใฆใใใ็ ๆผ ใซใ่กใใพใใฆใๅ ็ใ่กใใใๆใฏ็ๅคใ ใฃใใฎใงใใฎใใใๆใใฃใใใใงใใๅใ่กใฃใใฎใฏ12ๆใฎ้ ญใชใฎใงๅฏใใฆ้ๆฃใจใใฆใพใใฆโฆใใฐใฉใณใใญใฃใใชใณใฎใญใใธใซใฒใจใใงใใใณใจๆณใพใฃใใจใใใใใใชๆใๅบใ (็ฌ)ใ
โโ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๆ่ฝใฏใฉใใใฃใ้จๅใ ใจๆใใฆใใพใใ๏ผ
โ ๅฏไธ็กไบใฎไฝๅฎถใใใจใใ็นใงใใญใใใผใ ใๆใกๅใใใฎในใฟใคใซใจใใฃใ็นใใใใงใใใ่ชๅใฎใใๆนใจใใใใฎใใกใใใจใใฃใฆใใใใไปใฎไฝๅฎถใใใจใฏ้ใ็ฌ็นใชใใฎใใใใไฝๅฎถใใใฏ็ใใ็ฌ็นใจใใใฐใใใชใใงใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏ็นใซใใใใ่ชๅใฎในใฟใคใซใจใใใใฎใใใๆนใงใใญใๅใฎ็ฅใ้ใ่ๆจๅ ็ใจไผผใใฟใคใใฎไฝๅฎถใใใฏใใชใใใใ ใใใใใใ ใใกใใใจในใฑใธใฅใผใซใ็ฎก็ใงใใฆใใไบบใฏๅใฎ็ฅใฃใฆใใ้ใใใใกใ่้ฃพๅบไบๆๅ ฌๅๅๆดพๅบๆใใฎ็งๆฌๆฒปๅ ็ไปฅๅคใซใฏใใชใใงใใ
โโๆ ๅฝใ้ขใใฆใใใฎใไปใๅใใจใใใฎใฏ๏ผ
โ ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏๆใใฎใ่ฆๆใชใฎใงๅคใฏๆฏๅนดใๅฐๆนใงไปไบใใใใใใงใใใชใใฎๆฅใชใฉใฏใใใซๆใใฆใใใฃใฆใใพใใๆญดไปฃๆ ๅฝ็ทจ้ใ้ใพใใจใใๆฟใใคใใณใใชใใงใใ (็ฌ)ใใใใงไปๆใใชใ่ฉฑใใใใใไธ็ทใซๅทใซ้ใณใซ่กใฃใใใขใใฉใฏใทใงใณใฟใใใชใใฎใง้ใใ ใใ็ทใฐใฃใใใงใใใฉ (็ฌ)ใ
โโใใใงๆผซ็ปใฎ่ฉฑใฏ๏ผ
โ ใพใฃใใใใชใใงใใญใ่ๆจๅ ็ใๆผซ็ปใฎ่ฉฑใใใใฎใฏๅใฎๆใฏๆใกๅใใใฎๆใ ใใงใใใใใใไปใฎๆผซ็ปใฎ่ฉฑใๅ จ็ถใใชใใฆใๆฌๅฝใซใใธใงใธใงใใฎ่ฉฑใ ใใงใใใใใใใใใฎๆใซๆใใฆใใใใธใงใธใงใใฎใๆฌกๅใฎๅฑ้ใใฉใใใใใใจใใ็นใ ใใงใ้ใซใฉในใในใฎๆงๆณใจใใฏใฉใคใใใฏในใฎๅฑ้ใ ใจใใ่ฉฑใใพใใใงใใใใ้ๅปใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใซใคใใฆใใพใฃใใ่ฉฑใใชใใฃใใงใใ
โโ็ถๅญใใใฏใWJใฎ็ทจ้่ ใจใใฆ่ๆจๅ ็ใจไฝๅใฎๅค้ทใ่ฆใฆใใๆนใซใชใใพใใ
โ ๅใWJใซ้ ๅฑใใใใฎใ็ฌฌ3้จใฎใฏใฉใคใใใฏในใๆฟๅคช้ใจDIOใฎๆฑบ็ใฎ้ ใ ใฃใใจๆใใพใใ็ฌฌ3้จใฏ็ฐ่ฒใงใฏใใใใใฉๅฐๅนดๆผซ็ปใฎ็้ใ ใจๆใใใงใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฎ้ ใซใชใใจ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎไฝๅฎถใจใใฆใฎ่ฒใใใๅผทใๅบใใจใใใใไฝๅฎถใจใใฆๆ้ทใใๆใใใใใพใใใใใฎ้ ใใใซใชในใ็ใชไบบๆฐใๅบๅงใใฆใ็ทจ้้จใฎไธญใงใใใใธใงใธใงใใฃใฆไปใจใฏ้ใใญใใ็นๅฅใชไฝๅใ ใญใใจใใ็ฉบๆฐใๅผทใใชใฃใฆใใพใใใญใๅใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใๆ ๅฝใใ้ ใพใงใฏใๅใฎไธญใงใใใใข่ฒใๅผทใใฆใใกใณใฎๅนด้ฝขๅฑคใ้ซใไฝๅฎถใใใจใใๅฐ่ฑกใ ใฃใใใงใใใ2010ๅนด้ ใใๅทปใ่ตทใใฃใไธ้ฃใฎใใธใงใธใงใใ ใผใใกใณใใงใฏ่ฅใๅฅณๆงๅฑคใใฉใคใๅฑคใๅใ่พผใใงใใฆใใใใใใฃใใไฝใ่ตทใใฆใใใใ ใโใใจใใใใใ้ฉใใฆใใพใใ้ทใไฝๅใซใฏ่ชฟๅญใ่ฏใๆๆใใใใฐใๆชใใชใฃใฆใใพใๆๆใใใฃใฆใใใธใใน็ใซใ้ทๆใฟใคใใซใๅๆดปๆงๅใใใๆฆ็ฅใๅฟ ่ฆใ ใจๆใใใงใใใใใใใๆๅณใงใฏใใธใงใธใงใใฏๅธธใซ่ฏใใๅฎขใใใๆใฃใฆใใใใ็ฒๅพใใใฑใผในใ ใจๆใใฆใใพใใ
Q: As a supervisor at the editorial department of Weekly Shonen Jump (hereafter WSJ), how exactly were you involved with Araki?
Saito: I was in charge of Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan Episode 5: Millionaire Village, a one-shot that was published in WSJ, up to and including the meetings. Even without a serialization, there were still various communications and reports to be made, so I took over that responsibility from the previous supervisor, Mr. Heishi. Millionaire Village started when Mr. Araki asked to draw a one-shot for WSJ, and the theme of a battle of manners surfaced as early as our first meeting.
Q: How did readers react to the one-shot?
Saito: The survey results were very good. Since it was a battle of manners, you didn't need any prior knowledge to read it. Mr. Araki even seemed to have taken the readability of the story into account, so that even younger readers who were unfamiliar with JoJo could accept it as a slightly unusual psychological battle manga.
Q: What was your impression of Millionaire Village during the meetings? That was your first time working as an editor, wasn't it?
Saito: Even after we decided on the theme of a battle of manners, Mr. Araki came up with a lot of ideas for how to develop it, and I also threw in various ideas as we went along. I was a little surprised at how well-structured the story became from beginning to end, compared to those of other writers.
Q: As an active editor at WSJ, it's safe to assume you're in contact with many young manga artists and writers. Do many of them respect JoJo?
Saito: Very many. I think the influence it has on our creators is extraordinary. The appeal of it to young writers is the fact that anyone can easily recognize JoJo at a glance. In terms of its content, it is overwhelmingly sharp, and it has such a unique feel that it feels as though only Mr. Araki could draw it.
As a matter of fact, I re-read the second part of the series the other day, and I found that the amount of ideas for battles in the series was extraordinary, far beyond other works. The fact he did all that in a weekly serialization astonished me. That, and it's so visually interesting. When I became a manga editor, I learned that the design and visual elements of a manga are quite significant. In particular, he's designed more than 130 Stands by this point. Even though they're based on Japanese yลkai and folk art from all over the world, he takes care to separate them in his mind, so that the silhouettes don't overlap.
Q: You could say the same about the human characters.
Saito: Also, I think creators admire him for doing what he wants to without hesitation. He wouldn't say that about himself, though. For example, even when we discussed the idea for the one-shot Millionaire Village, he himself said, "The readers will hate this idea," about five times or so., "The readers won't be satisfied with this idea. He has a sense, even if it's illogical, that, "the readers won't be satisfied if I don't go so far." He doesn't necessarily draw whatever he wants.
When it comes to creators, the re-evaluation of JoJo over the past few years has largely been driven by people who read the series in real time, who became creators and said, "I'm a fan of JoJo," which led their fans to also reach out and say, "Well, I'll give it a shot," or, "JoJo might be in fashion." I believe that's the biggest contributing factor. I also think that by having those creators talk about JoJo, longtime fans became more comfortable with saying they like JoJo. In the past, if you said you were a JoJo fan, people would tend to think you were a maniac. The hunger of those long-time fans must've been enormous. Up until a few years ago, the only JoJo merchandise available to them was the comics and the artbooks, so there was an unbearable hunger for all things JoJo. Now that they're adults, they're part of a generation with money to spend, so I think they're buying up a lot of merchandise to make up for what they lacked until now.
Q: What do you remember most about your relationship with Mr. Araki?
Saito: One time, when I was scheduled for a dinner with Mr. Araki, I got lost and was very nearly late, so I ran into the restaurant. He warned me, "You shouldn't run in restaurants" (haha). He's very conscious of public order and morality. On another note, Millionaire Village has an episode number. When Araki drew Episode 16: At a Confessional, the first episode of Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan, he decided to call it Episode 16 because he wanted it to have the aura of being part of a spin-off series. However, he didn't seem to regard it as very important, and the second work, Mutsu-kabe Hill, didn't actually have an episode number. I was such a fan of Araki's that when I read the first work, I wrote a letter to him saying, "I want to read the other 15 episodes!" So during the meeting for the third work, Millionaire Village, Araki completely forgot the episode number again (haha), but I asked him to number it Episode 5.
Q: Which JoJo character do you feel best matches Mr. Araki in personality and character?
Saito: People often bring up the character Rohan Kishibe, but in my own opinion, the two don't overlap at all. I thought he most resembled... Yoshikage Kira, maybe? I feel like his philosophy of leading a normal life while refusing to compromise his beliefs is similar to Mr. Araki's. He decided to fight Josuke due to his beliefs, as well, and that fit the impression I had of Mr. Araki. In my head, Kira's lines are voiced by Araki himself (laughs).
Q: As an editor and a fan of Araki's, what's the main appeal to him and his works?
Saito: I apologize if this is a bit personal, but back when I was in high school, I always had Volumes 46 and 53 of JoJo in my bag (laughs). I loved the cover illustration of Volume 46, with Josuke and Kira glaring at each other, and the composition of the art alongside the title of "Crazy Diamond is Unbreakable" was irresistible. Volume 53 is "The Grateful Dead," and it's a wonderful episode, being a locked-room drama on the express train to Florence while also having a lot of action. I would read either of the two comics on my way home from school, so much so that I must have read each one a hundred times or so. If I hadn't come across JoJo in WSJ in my second year of junior high, my life would have been completely different. In that sense, personally, Mr. Araki was like a god to me.
But when I actually met him, I got the impression that he was a normal person, though he was a bit eccentric in some regards. But that's the point, that he's a bit eccentric. For example, his taste in movies is very different from the average viewer. He's a big fan of the movie Dawn of the Dead, directed by George A. Romero. When I asked him what he liked most about it, he said, "I love the part where the survivors barricade themselves inside a shopping mall and help themselves to anything they want." It's a scene that makes you think, "That's it?!" But I feel like he has a sense, or perhaps a talent, that notices things others don't pick up on. I get the impression that he is a very intelligent person, the kind who can analyze why a movie moves him or why he finds it interesting.
โโ้ฑๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใ (ไปฅไธใWJ) ็ทจ้้จใงใฎๆ ๅฝใจใใๅฝขใงใใใๅ ทไฝ็ใซใฏใฉใใใฃใ้ขใใๆนใงใใใใใ
โ WJใซ่ผใฃใ่ชญๅใฎใๅฒธ่พบ้ฒไผดใฏๅใใชใ ๏ฝใจใใฝใผใ5๏ผๅฏ่ฑชๆ๏ฝใใฏๆใกๅใใใๅซใใฆๅใๆ ๅฝใใพใใใใใใจ้ฃ่ผใใชใใฆใ่ซธใ ใฎ้ฃ็ตกใๅ ฑๅใใใใพใใฎใงใใใใๅๆ ๅฝใฎ็ถๅญใใๅผใ็ถใใงใใฃใฆใใพใใใๅฏ่ฑชๆใใฏใใจใใจ่ๆจๅ ็ใใWJใง่ชญๅใๆใใใใใจๅธๆใใใใจใใใใ็ซใกไธใใฃใฆใใฆใๆๅใฎๆใกๅใใใฎๆใซใฏใใใใใผๅฏพๆฑบใจใใใใผใใฏๅบใฆใใพใใใญใ
โโ่ชญๅใฎ่ชญ่ ใฎ่ฉๅคใฏใฉใใงใใใ๏ผ
โ ใขใณใฑใผใ็ตๆใฏใใกใใใกใ่ฏใใฃใใงใใใใใผๅฏพๆฑบใ ใฃใใฎใงไบๅ็ฅ่ญใ็กใใฆใๅ ฅใใๅ ๅฎนใงใใๅ ็ใ่ชญใฟใใใใๆ่ญใใใฆใใใใใชใฎใงใใใธใงใธใงใใ็ฅใใชใไฝๅนด้ฝขๅฑคใฎ่ชญ่ ใซใใใใกใใฃใจๅคใใฃใ้ ญ่ณใใใซๆผซ็ปใใจใใใตใใซๅใๅ ฅใใใใใใงใใใใ
โโใๅฏ่ฑชๆใใฎๆใกๅใใๆใฎๅฐ่ฑกใฏ๏ผใ็ทจ้่ ใจใใฆ็ตกใใฎใฏใใใๅใใฆใงใใใญ๏ผ
โ ใใใผๅฏพๆฑบใจใใใใผใใๆฑบใพใฃใใใจใๅ ็ใใๅฑ้ใฎใขใคใใขใใใใใๅบใฆใใใกใใใใๆงใ ใชๆ่ฆใๆใใฆใใจใใๅฝขใง้ฒใใพใใใไปใฎไฝๅฎถใใใจๆฏในใฆใ้ ญใใใฉในใใพใงใใชใใใฃใใใจ็ตใฟ็ซใฆใใใๆนใงๅฐใๆๅคใงใใใ
โโWJใฎ็พๅฝน็ทจ้่ ใจใใ็ซๅ ดใงๆผซ็ปๅฎถใฎๅตใ่ฅใไฝๅฎถใจใฎไปใๅใใใใใใจๆใใพใใใใใธใงใธใงใใชในใใฏใใฎไบบใฏๅคใ๏ผ
โ ๅคใใงใใญใใฏใชใจใคใฟใผใซไธใใฆใใๅฝฑ้ฟใฏๅฐๅธธใงใฏใชใใจๆใใพใใ่ฅใไฝๅฎถใ้ญ ๅใๆใใฆใใใฎใฏใ่ชฐใ่ฆใฆใใใธใงใธใงใใ ใจใใใซๅใใใจใใใๅ ๅฎน้ขใงใๅงๅ็ใซๅฐใฃใฆใใฆ่ๆจๅ ็ใใๆใใชใใจใใๅฏไธ็กไบๆใงใใๅฎใฏๅ ๆฅใ็ฌฌ2้จใใใใใใฆ่ชญใฟ็ดใใฆๆใใใใงใใใใใใซใฎใขใคใใขใฎ้ใไปใฎไฝๅใจๆฏในใฆๆก้ใใซใ็ฐๅธธใชใปใฉๅคใใใใใใใใ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใงใใฃใฆใใใฎใใใจใใ็นใซ้ฉๆใใพใใใใใจใใธใฅใขใซใฎ้ข็ฝใใงใใญใๆผซ็ปใฎ็ทจ้่ ใซใชใฃใฆๅใใฃใใใจใงใใใๆผซ็ปใฎไธญใงใใถใคใณใใใธใฅใขใซใฎ้ข็ฝใใจใใใฎใฏใใชใๅคงใใใใงใใ็นใซในใฟใณใใฏ130ไฝไปฅไธใใใถใคใณใใใฆใใพใใๆฅๆฌใฎๅฆๆชใไธ็ไธญใฎๆฐ่ธๅใชใฉใไธๆทใใซใใคใคใใใใใๅ ็ใฎไธญใงๆ่ฏใใใฆใใฆใใทใซใจใใใ้ใชใใชใใ
โโไบบ้ใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใงใๅใใใจใ่จใใพใใญใ
โ ใใใจใใใใใใใจใๅฟใใใชใใใฃใฆใใใใใซ่ฆใใ็นใงใใฏใชใจใคใฟใผใฏๆงใใใจๆใใพใใใใ ใๅ ็่ช่บซใฏ่ชๅใๆใใใใใฎใๆใใฐใใใใจใใใฎใงใฏใชใใไพใใฐๅบใฆใใใขใคใใขใซใใฆใใใๅฏ่ฑชๆใใจใใ่ชญๅ1ๆฌใฎๆใกๅใใใงใใๅ ็่ช่บซใใใใใฎใขใคใใขใใ่ชญ่ ใฏ็ดๅพใใฆใใใชใใชใใจใใ่จ่ใ5ๅใใใๅบใใใใใใใใใพใงใใใชใใจ่ชญ่ ใฏๅใใงใใใชใใ ใใใชใใจใใใฉใคใณใใ็ๅฑใงใฏใชใๆ่ฆใจใใฆๆใฃใฆใใใๆฑบใใฆๅฅฝใๅๆใซๆใใฆใใใใใงใฏใชใใใงใใญใใฏใชใจใคใฟใผใซ้ขใใฆ่จใใจใใใฎๆฐๅนดใฎใใธใงใธใงใใฎๅ่ฉไพกใฎๅใใฏใชใขใซใฟใคใ ใง่ชญ่ ใ ใฃใไบบใใกใใฏใชใจใคใฟใผใซใชใฃใฆใใใธใงใธใงใใๅฅฝใใใจ่ชใฃใฆใใฆใใใฎใฏใชใจใคใฟใผใฎใใกใณใใใใใ่ชญใใงใฟใใใใชใใใใธใงใธใงใใฃใฆใชใทใฃใฌใใใใจๆใไผธใฐใใใ็ฉ็็ใช็็ฑใจใใฆใฏใใใใใใกใฐใๅคงใใใจๆใใพใใใใจใฏใฏใชใจใผใฟใผใใกใใใธใงใธใงใใ่ชใใใจใงๆใใใฎใใกใณใฎไธญใซใใใใธใงใธใงใใๅฅฝใใจ่จใฃใฆใใใใ ใใจใใๅฎๅฟๆใ็ใพใใใใใใชใใงใใใใใไปฅๅใฏใใธใงใธใงใๅฅฝใใจใใใจใใใขใใฏใจใๆใใใใกใงใใใใใใใใใฃใๅคใใใใฎใใกใณใฎ้ฃข้คๆใๅคงใใใฃใใใใใใชใใงใใญใๆฐๅนดๅใพใงใฏใใธใงใธใงใใฏใณใใใฏในใจ็ป้ไปฅๅคใฎใขใคใใ ใใปใจใใฉใชใใฆใๅใใฎใใธใงใธใงใใธใฎ้ฃข้คๆใฏใใใใใใใใใฃใใใใใฆใใฎใพใพๅคงไบบใซใชใฃใไปใฏใ้ใไฝฟใใไธไปฃใซใชใฃใใใใไปใพใงใฎๅใๅใใใใใซๆฒขๅฑฑใฎใขใคใใ ใซๆใไผธใฐใใใใใใๆงๅณใใใใจๆใใพใใ
โโ่ๆจๅ ็ใจใฎใไปใๅใใงใๅฐ่ฑกใซๆฎใฃใฆใใใใจใฏ๏ผ
โ ่ๆจๅ ็ใจใฎไผ้ฃใฎๆใ้ใซ่ฟทใฃใฆ้ ๅปใใใใซใชใฃใฆใฌในใใฉใณใซ้งใ่พผใใ ใใใฌในใใฉใณใง่ตฐใฃใกใใใกใ ใใใจๆณจๆใใใพใใฆ (็ฌ)ใใใใใใๅ ฌๅบ่ฏไฟใจใใ้จๅใใใใๆ่ญใใใฆใใๆนใงใใใใจใฏใๅฏ่ฑชๆใใงใจใใฝใผใใใณใใผใๅ ฅใใฆใใใฃใใใจใงใใญใๅ ็ใฏใๅฒธ่พบ้ฒไผดใฏๅใใชใใใฎ1ไฝ็ฎใใจใใฝใผใ16๏ผๆบๆๅฎคใใๆใใๅฝๆใใใใใคใๅคไผใใใไธญใฎ1ๆฌใจใใใใฅใขใณในใๅบใใใฐใใจใใใใจใงใใจใใฝใผใ16ใใจใใใใใใใงใใใใ ใๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใใใฏๆฏ้ใฎไฝใใใคใณใใ ใฃใใใใใฆ2ไฝ็ฎใฎใๅ ญๅฃๅใใงใฏๅฎใฏใจใใฝใผใใใณใใผใๅ ฅใฃใฆใใชใใๅใฏ1ไฝ็ฎใ่ชญใใ ๆใซใๆฎใใฎ15ๆฌใ่ชญใฟใใ๏ผใใจใใกใณใฌใฟใผใๆธใใใใใใฎ่ๆจใใกใณใ ใฃใใฎใงใ3ไฝ็ฎใฎใๅฏ่ฑชๆใใฎๆใกๅใใใฎๆใซใๅ ็ใฏใใณใใผใฎไปถใๅฎๅ จใซๅฟใใฆใใพใใใ (็ฌ)ใๅ ็ใซใใจใใฝใผใ5ใใจใใใใณใใผใๅ ฅใใฆใใใใพใใใ
โโ่ๆจๅ ็ใจไบบๆใๆงๆ ผใไผผใฆใใใใธใงใธใงใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฏ่ชฐใ ใจๆใใพใใ๏ผ
โ ใใๅฒธ่พบ้ฒไผดใจใใ่ฉฑใๅบใใใงใใใๅใฎไธญใงใฏใพใฃใใ้ใชใใชใใงใใญใไผผใฆใใใจๆใฃใใฎใฏโฆใๅ่ฏๅๅฝฑใใชใ่ฆๅๆญฃใใ็ๆดปใ้ใ้จๅใไฟกๅฟตใๆฒใใชใใฃใใใใจใใๅฒๅญฆใ่ๆจๅ ็ใซไผผใฆใใๆใใใใพใใไปๅฉใจๆฆใใใจใซใชใฃใ็็ฑใ่ชๅใฎไฟกๅฟตใ่ฒซใใ็ตๆใชใใใงใใใใๅ ็ใฎๅฐ่ฑกใจใ ใถใใพใใๅ่ฏใฎๅฐ่ฉใฏๅใฎ่ณๅ ใงใฏๅฎๅ จใซ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๅฃฐใงๅ็ใใใใใงใใใญ (็ฌ)ใ
โโ่ๆจใใกใณใฎ็ทจ้่ ใจใใ็ซๅ ดใใ่ฆใ่ๆจๅ ็ใไฝๅใฎ้ญ ๅใฏ๏ผ
โ ๅไบบ็ใชใใจใงๆ็ธฎใงใใใ้ซๆ กๆไปฃใฏๅธธใซใใธใงใธใงใใฎ็ฌฌ46ๅทปใจ็ฌฌ53ๅทปใใซใใณใฎไธญใซๅ ฅใฃใฆใใฆ (็ฌ)ใ็ฌฌ46ๅทปใฏไปๅฉใจๅ่ฏใใซใใฟๅใฃใฆใใใซใใผใคใฉในใใๅคงๅฅฝใใง็ตตใฎๆงๅณใจใใใตใใฟใคใใซใฎใใฏใฌใคใธใผใปD (ใใคใคใขใณใ) ใฏ็ ใใชใใใจใใใใใพใใชใใ็ฌฌ53ๅทปใฏใใถใปใฐใฌใคใใใซใปใใใใฎๅทปใใงใใใใใฃใฌใณใใง่กใ่ถ ็นๆฅใฎไธญใจใใๅฏๅฎคๅใงใใใชใใใขใฏใทใงใณใไธก็ซใใฆใใ็นใ็ด ๆดใใใใจใใฝใผใใ้ซๆ กใฎๅธฐใ้ใฏใฉใกใใใฎใณใใใฏในใ่ชญใใงใใใฎใงใใใใใ100ๅใใใ่ชญใฟ่พผใใ ใปใฉใงใใใไธญๅญฆ2ๅนด็ใฎๆใใใพใใพ่ชญใใ WJใงใใธใงใธใงใใจๅบไผใใชใใใฐๅใฏใพใฃใใ้ใไบบ็ใซใชใฃใฆใใใฏใใงใใใใชๆใใง่ๆจๅ ็ใฏๅไบบ็ใซใฏ็ฅๆงใฎใใใชๅญๅจใงใใญใใใใงใๅฎ้ใซๆใกๅใใใใใๆใฏใใกใใฃใจๅคใใฃใใจใใใใใใใฉๆฎ้ใฎไบบใจใใๅฐ่ฑกใงใฏใใใพใใใใใ ใใกใใฃใจๅคใใฃใใจใใใจใใใฎใใใคใณใใงใไพใใฐๆ ็ปใง้ข็ฝใใจๆใใจใใใๆฎ้ใฎไบบใจ้ใใๅ ็ใฏใธใงใผใธใปAใปใญใกใญใ็ฃ็ฃใใใใใผใณใปใชใใปใถใปใใใ (้ฆ้กใใพใณใใ)ใใจใใๆ ็ปใๅคงๅฅฝใใชใใงใใใใฉใใๅฅฝใใชใฎใใจ่ใใจใใทใงใใใณใฐใขใผใซใซ็ใๆฎใฃใไบบ้ใ็ซใฆ็ฑ ใใฃใฆใๅฅฝใๅๆใซใใฆใใใจใใใๅฅฝใใชใใ ใใญใผใใฃใฆใใใใใงใใโใใฟใใใชๆใใฎใทใผใณใงใใใไปใฎไบบใๆพใใชใใจใใใๆพใฃใฆใใใฎใฏใปใณในใจใใใๆ่ฝใ ใจๆใใพใใใฉใใชๆ ็ปใซ้ขใใฆใใใชใ่ชๅใๆๅใใฆใใใฎใใใชใ้ข็ฝใใจๆใใใฎใใๅๆใงใใฆใใฆใใใฎใใใ้ ญใฎใใไบบใจใใๅฐ่ฑกใงใใ
โโ่ๆจๅ ็ใใใฆใซใใฉใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใUJ) ใซ็งป็ฑใใฆใใใฎๆ ๅฝใงใใใใใใใใฎๅ ็ใจใฎใไปใๅใใฏใใคใใ๏ผ
โ ๆๅใซๆ ๅฝใใใฎใฏ1999ๅนดใฎใใใใใใณใบQใใงใใญใๅใฏใใฎๅฝๆใใMANGAใชใผใซใใณใใจใใ้่ชใซใใพใใฆใใใใซ3ๅท้ฃ็ถๆฒ่ผใจใใในใฟใคใซใงใใใใMANGAใชใผใซใใณใใฎ็ทจ้้ทใๅไปฃๆ ๅฝใฎๆคๅณถใงใๅใฏ่ๆจใใกใณใ ใฃใใฎใงใๆ ๅฝใใใใใงใ๏ผใใจ้ ผใฟ่พผใใง (็ฌ)ใ
โโใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฏUJ็งป็ฑๅฝๅใๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใฏใฉใใใฃใๆงๆณใ ใฃใใใงใใใใใ
โ ๆๅใฏใๅ้บใฌใผในใใฎใในใฟใณใใๅบใฆใใชใใใใใใชใใใจใใใใใชใใจใ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใใใ ใ้ไธญใใใ่ฌใ่ฟฝใใใใๅฑ้ใใปใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใๅบใฆใใใใใซใใใชใใงใใใญใ็ฌฌ4ๅทปใฎใ้ฑๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใใ(ไปฅไธใWJ) ้ฃ่ผๅใพใงใฎๆตใใง่จใใฐใดใผใซใฏใใใใฉใไปใฒใจใคไธปไบบๅ ฌใฎ็ฎ็ใ่ฆใใชใ้จๅใใใฃใใใฌใผในใซๅใฃใ่ฒ ใใใจใใใ ใใฎๆตใใ็นฐใ่ฟใใฆใใใจ็ทๅผตๆใไฟใฆใชใใใใใใชใใใใใฉในใขใซใใกใฎ่ปธใๅฟ ่ฆใ ใจใใใฎใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎไธญใซๅบใฆใใใใงใใใใญใ
โโUJ็ทจ้้จใใๅ ็ใธใฎใชใผใใผใฏ๏ผ
โ ๅฐๅนด่ชใงใฏใชใใฎใงใWJใงใฏๆใใชใๆฎ้ ทๆๅใใปใฏใทใฃใซใช่กจ็พใOKใงใใจใใ่ฉฑใฏใใพใใใๅ ็ใฎ่ฟไบใฏใใใใขใใฏใชใใฎใๆใใใใใใงใฏใชใใ็้ใๆใใฆใใใใใใใ ใๅฐๅนด่ชใจใใใใจใง้ ๆ ฎใใฆใใ้จๅใฏๆๆฆใจใใฆๆใใใใใใชใใใจใใใใจใงใใใWJใฏๅบๆฌ็ใซๅญไพใ่ชญใใใฎใชใฎใงใใใใใ้ ๆ ฎใใชใใใฐใใใชใ้จๅใใใใใใงใใชใฎใงใชใผใใผใฏใๆใใใใใจใๆใๅใๆใใฆใใ ใใ๏ผใใใใใงใใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใซๆใใใใใใจใฎใปใใๅคใใงใใญใ
โโๅ ทไฝ็ใซใฏ๏ผ
โ ้บไฝไบๅฅชๆฆใซใคใใฆๆใกๅใใใใใฆใใฆใใใใๆตใซๅฅชใใใ้บไฝใๅใ่ฟใๆตใใงใใญ๏ผใใจ่ใใจใใใใใใใใ ใจใใฉใใคใผใญใงใใใใไฝใๅพใใใฎใใชใใจใใใฉในใใชใใใใซใฏๆๅณใชใใใใใจ่จใใใฆใใชใใปใฉใจๆใใพใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใใใใชใใใฐใใจใใใใ ใใญใใจใใ่จใๆนใใใใใใงใใใใใฎๅ ทไฝไพใฎใฒใจใคใงใใญใใใฉในใฎ็ฝๅฟซๆใใใใจใใใใจใงใใใใใใฃใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎ็่ซใจใๆนๆณ่ซใๅๅผทใใใฆใใใใใฎใงใๆใกๅใใใฏๆฅฝใใใฃใใงใใญใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎ่จ่ใฃใฆๆๅใซ่ใใๆใฏใใ๏ผใใฃใฆๆใใใจใๅคใใฆใไพใใฐใๆฌกใฎๆตใฏใญใ็ทๅฐๅฅณๅใฟใใใชๅฅดใชใใ ใใญใใจ่จใฃใใใใใ็ฌฌ7้จใซๅบใฆใใใชใณใดใฉใฃใฆๆตใญใฃใฉใชใใงใใใฉใๆๅใฏใคใกใผใธใใคใใใชใใใงใใใใใใใ่ฉฑใ่ใใฆใใใจใๅ ็ใฎใ็พไปฃใฎ็ทใๅผฑใฃใฆใใๆใใใใใใใ ใใๅผทใ็ทใๆตใงๆใใฆใฟใใใใจใใๆ่ฆใๅใใฃใฆใใใกใใใใใใใชใใปใฉใใจใชใใใใงใใใใใใฃใๆไปฃใฎ็ฉบๆฐๆใๆๆใซๆใๅใฃใฆไฝๅใซๅๆ ใใใฆใใใฟใคใใชใใงใใญใ
โโ็ตตๆใซ้ขใใฆใ็ฉบๆฐๆใๅใๅ ฅใใใจใใใฏใใใใใซๆใใพใใๆฟๅคช้ใฎ็ๆฏใฏใใฃใใใใฆใใพใใๅจๅฒใฎๆผซ็ปใ่ฆๆธกใใจ็ๆฏใฎ็ดฐใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใไธปๆตใซใชใฃใฆใใใใใใง็ฌฌ4้จใฎไปๅฉใฎ็ๆฏใฏ็ดฐใใซๆใใใจใใฃใใใฃใฆใใพใใใ
โ ใใใงใใญใไพใใฐใใฃใฎใฅใขใซ้ขใใฆใๅๅใๅ ็ใซ็ฃไฟฎใใฆใใใ ใใใงใใใ็ฌฌ3้จใฎๆฟๅคช้ใฎๅๅ็ฃไฟฎใฎๆใๅ ็ใใใๆฟๅคช้ใฎๆ่ฃ ใใใๆไปฃใซๅใฃใฆใชใใใ ใใญใใจใใๆ่ฆใๅบใใใใใใใใงใใใ20ๅนดๅใซๆใใใใใใงใใใใๅ ็ๆฐใใใฆใจในใใฎไฝ็ฝฎใ้ซใใใใไปใฏ่ ฐใฐใใ ใใใใใใงใใชใใใใจใใคใพใๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใใถใคใณใฏใขใใใใผใใใใฆใใใใงใใใญใใพใใใงใใใกใณใๆฌฒใใใฎใฏๅฝๆใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฎ็ซไฝ็ฉใชใใใงใใใฎ่พบใฏใ่ฉฑใใใใใใใใใใใใใจ็ดๅพใฏใใฆใใใ ใใใใงใใใฉใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใฏใ้ๅปใฎ้จใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใในใใผใชใผใๆฐใใใใฆไปใฎๆๆงใซ่ฟใฅใใใใจใซใฏ่บ่บใใชใใใ ใใใจๆใใพใใ
โโใใฃใฎใฅใขใใใใงใใใใขใใกใผใทใงใณใใฒใผใ ใชใฉใ2010ๅนด้ ใใใใธใงใธใงใใ ใผใใกใณใใจใใใใใใใชๅคงใใชๆณขใๆฅใพใใใญใ
โ ใชใขใซใฟใคใ ใงใใธใงใธใงใใฎๅ้จใๅฅฝใใ ใฃใไบบใใ็พๅ ดใงๆฑบๅฎๆจฉใๆใคไธไปฃใซใชใฃใฆใใใจใใใฎใฏๅคงใใใใใใชใใใจๆใใพใใ10ๅนดใปใฉๅใฏ็พๅ ดใฎ่ฅใไบบใใใใธใงใธใงใใใใใใใใจใใฃใฆใไผ็คพใฎOKใๅบใชใใฃใใใใใงใใใจใใใใใฎๆฐๅนดใงใใใใใฃใใใธใงใธใงใๅฅฝใใชไธไปฃใๆฑบๅฎๆจฉใๆใค็ซๅ ดใซใชใฃใฆใใฆใๅใใใฆใๅฎขใใใ่ช็ฑใซใชใใ้ใๆใฆใๅนดไปฃใซใชใฃใใ้่ฆใจไพ็ตฆใใฏใพใฃใใจใใๆใใงใใใใใใใใซใไปใฎ่ฅใไธไปฃใใใใธใงใธใงใใฃใฆใใ้ข็ฝใใฟใคใใซใใใใใใใใจๆฐใฅใใฆใใใฆใ่ฃพ้ใไธๆฐใซๅบใใฃใๆใใใใฆใใพใใใใใ ใใฎไผ็คพใไบบ้ใใใใธใงใธใงใใงไปไบใใใใใ!!ใใจๆใๆใใฆใใใใใใซใชใฃใใฎใฏใ่ๆจๅ ็ใใใใใไฝๅใๆใ็ถใใฆใใใฆใใใใใงใใฒใจใใซไฝๅใฎๅใ ใจๆใใพใใใใใฆๆใ็ถใใฆใใใใๆญดไปฃๆ ๅฝใ็คพๅ ใฎใใกใใกใซใใใใจใใใฎใๅคงใใใงใใญใไพใใฐใใธใงใธใงๅฑใใใใใใใจใใใฐๅฎฃไผ้จใซใฏๆฑใใใฆใใธใงใธใงใใฎใใคในใใซๅใไผๅ ดใๆขใใฆใใใใใWJใซใฏ็ถๅญใใใฆใไธใฎใปใใซใฏๆคๅณถใไฝใ ๆจใใใฆโฆใใจใใๅ ทๅใซ่ๆจๅ ็ใจใใธใงใธใงใใ็ดๆฅ็ฅใฃใฆใใไบบใ่ฆๆ่ฆๆใซใใใใใจใซใใ่ฉฑใๆฉใใฃใใใใใใ่ฏใ็ถๆณใใใใใใจ้ใชใฃใใใงใใญใ
โโ่ฃพ้ใๅบใใฃใฆใๅพๆฅใฎใใกใณๅฑคใจใฏ้ใ่ฅใไธไปฃใๅฅณๆงใๅขใใฆใใใฎใ้ฉใใงใใ
โ ใใ ใๆฐ้ ใฏใใฃใใใงใใใUJใซๅฑใใใกใณใฌใฟใผใ่ฆใฆใใใจใ่ฆชๅญ2ไธไปฃใงใใธใงใธใงใใใกใณใงใใใจใใๅฃฐใใใฉใใฉใใฃใใไธญๅญฆ็ใใใใฎๅฅณใฎๅญใใใฎใใฌใญใงใใๆฏใใใ่ชญใใงใใใใใ็งใๅฅฝใใซใชใใพใใใใๆฏใใใฏ็ฌฌ4้จใๅฅฝใใงใ็งใฏ็ฌฌ5้จใๅฅฝใใงใใใฟใใใชใใจใใใฃใฆใๅใใใใใฃโใใจ้ฉใใจใจใใซใใ ใผใใกใณใใไฝใใฎใฏๅฅณๆงใง็ถญๆใใใฎใ็ทๆงใจใใๅพๅใใใใพใใใใ่ฅใๅฅณๅญใใใใใชใ่ฅใ็ทๅญใ ใฃใฆใใใใใ๏ผใใจใใๅๅฃฒ้ญใๅบใ (็ฌ)ใใขใใฌใซใซใใฆใใใใงใใญใ2006ๅนดใซใฆใใฏใญใจใฎใณใฉใใง่ๆจๅ ็ใฎใคใฉในใTใทใฃใใๅบใใใใงใใใๅใใฏใใใฃใจๅนดๅญฃใฎๅ ฅใฃใใใธใงใธใงใใใกใณใ่ฒทใใใ ใใใใจๆใฃใฆใใใใจใใใๅฎใฏ่ฅใไบบใ่ฒทใฃใฆใใใจใใใฎใๅใใฃใฆใใใใใใใฎใใใๅฃฒใ่กใใ ใจใใใใใฎๅฃฒใๆนใใใ่ฅใไบบใใกใฏใ่ชญใใ ใใจใฏใชใใฆใใ่จๅทใจใใฆใฏใใธใงใธใงใใ็ฅใฃใฆใใใใใใใชใใฎใใใ่ๆจใคใฉในใใในใฟใณใใ็ฌ็นใงใซใใณใคใคใจๆใใฆใใใฆใใใฎใใช๏ผใใจๆฐใฅใใใใใไพใใฐใในใใคใใผใใณใใใใใใณใจใใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฏใฟใใช็ฅใฃใฆใใใใๆ ็ปใซใ่กใใใใฃใฎใฅใขใ่ฒทใใใงใๅไฝใณใใใฏใฏ่ชญใใ ใใจใใชใใจใใไบบใๅคใใใใใจๅใใงใใธใงใธใงใใจใใๆผซ็ปใฏ่ชญใใ ใใจใใชใใฆใในใฟใณใใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฏใใชใใใใใใญใใฃใฆๆใใงๅใๆญขใใฆใใใฆใใฎใใใใใชใใฆใใใใใ่ฅใๅฑคใใฐใใบใ่ฒทใฃใฆใใใใใใใชใใใใใฃใจใใพใใใใฐใใธใงใธใงใๆฌ็ทจใ่ชญใใงใใใใใใใชใใใใฏใพใฃใฆใใใใใใใชใใใใจใใใฎใฏใใใพใใใใใกใใๅฝๆใฏ็ขบ่จผใฏใชใใฃใใงใใใฉใญใ
โโ็ตๆ็ใซใฏใ็ทจ้่ ใจใใฆใฎ่ชญใฟใๅฝใใใพใใใ
โ ใงใใใใใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๅใงใใใญใใใธใงใธใงใใจใใ้ทใ็ถใไฝๅใซใชใขใซใฟใคใ ใง้ฃใใคใใฆใใใๅฑคใใใฆใ่ฅใไบบใ็ตตๆใๅซใใฆ็ฌ็นใงใซใใณใคใคใจๆใใฆใใใใใงใใใใใใใซๅ ใใฆใใฃใฎใฅใขใใขใใกใใฒใผใ ใจใใฃใๅใธใฃใณใซใงใใธใงใธใงใๅฅฝใใๆฑบๅฎๆจฉใๆใคๅนดไปฃใซใชใใๅๆใซ้่ฑ็คพๅ ใฎใใกใใกใซๆญดไปฃๆ ๅฝใไฝไบบใใใฆใใใใ็ฐๅขใใในใฆๆดใฃใฆใใใใงใใใใญใใใกใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใใใ็ใฃใฆใใใใใใใชใใฆใ็ตๆ็ใซใใใชใฃใใใงใใใใจใฆใไธๆ่ญฐใชใใงใใใฉ่ๆจๅ ็ใฃใฆใใใชใตใใซใ่ฒใ ใชใใฎใๅผใณ่พผใๆ่ฝใๆใฃใฆใใใจใใๆใใชใใใงใใใญใๅคงใใชใใจใๅฐใใชใใจใๅซใใฆๅถ็ถใจใใๆใใงใใชใใๅ ็่ช่บซใใ่ชๅใฏใใใใใใใ ใใจใใๆนๅใซๆฌ่ฝ็ใซๅใใฃใฆ่กใใจใๅธธใซๅจๅฒใๅผๅฟใใฆใใใใใชใ้ไธญใงๆใใฎใใใใใใตใใฃใใใใใซใๅ ็ใใใใใ ๏ผใใจๆใฃใไฝๅใๆใ็ถใใ็ตๆใไปใจใใ็ถๆณใชใใ ใใใชใจใใฒใจใใซใ่ๆจ้ฃๅๅฝฆใ ใใใใใใจใใใฎใใใใจๆใใพใใ่คใ้ใใใใใใชใใใฉ (็ฌ)ใ
โโ่ฉฑใฏๅๅพใใพใใใๅ ็ใฎ็ฌฌไธๅฐ่ฑกใฏใฉใใงใใใใ
โ ๆๅคใซใใใๆฐใใใชไบบใ ใชใใจ (็ฌ)ใๆๅใซใไผใใใๆใๅใๅพกๅคๅใซๆผใใใๅ ็ใฏๅฒธ่พบ้ฒไผดใฟใใใซๆใไบบใชใใใใชใใใใ้ฆฌ้นฟใ ใจๆใใใฆไธ่จใๅฃใใใฆใใใชใใฃใใฉใผใใใผใใจ็ทๅผตใใฆใใฆใใพใจใใซใใในใใ่ไธญใซๆฑใใใทใงใชใงใใใใฉ (็ฌ)ใใใฎใใจใๅใใใใMANGAใชใผใซใใณใใจใใ้่ชใ2002ๅนดใซไผๅใซใชใฃใฆใUJใซ็ฐๅใใใใงใใใๅ ็ใใกใใใฉ็ฌฌ6้จใ็ตใใฆๅฐใๆ้ใใงใใๆใซใๅคไบบๅๅฑๅไผใใทใชใผใบใฎใใฆใฃใณใใงในใฟใผใปใในใใชใผใปใใฆในใใ่ ธใใในใฎใกใขใชใผใใฎ2ๆฌใๆใใฆใใใ ใใพใใใใใใ2003ๅนด้ ใงใใญใใๅ ็ใฎไฝใใใใๆใซใใใใใใใณใบQใใฎๆฐไฝใ็ญๆ้ไธญใจใใงใใใพใใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใใใฆใใฆใๅ ็ใใใขใคใใขใใใใใใใใใๅ่ฏใๆใใใใใ ใใญใใจใใใใจใงใใใใใใใใฐๅฝๆใๅฟใใใใชใใใจใใใใพใใใใMANGAใชใผใซใใณใใไผๅใซใชใฃใฆใๅใฎ็ฐๅๅ ใใพใ ๆฑบใพใฃใฆใชใๆใฎใใจใงใใๅฝๆใฎ้จ้ทใๅ ็ใซใMANGAใชใผใซใใณใฏใชใใชใใใฉใไปใซใ่ชญๅใๆใๅ ดๆใฏใใใใใใใใใ้กใใใพใใใจใใ่ฉฑใใใใใๅ ็ใใๅใฏไบ่คๅใ่กใ็ทจ้้จใงๆใใพใใใใจ่จใฃใฆใใใฆใๅใฏๆๅใใฆใใใใฎไบบใฎใใจใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซ่ฃๅใฃใกใใ ใใ ใใจๆใฃใใใงใใญใ็คพไบค่พไปคใง่จใฃใฆใใใใ ใใใใใใชใใใฉใๅใฏๆใใใพใใใๆฌๅฝใซๆใ้ฃใใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใ
โโๅ ็ใWJใซ็ฌฌ6้จใ็ฌฌ7้จใ้ฃ่ผใใใฆใใ้ ใใใธใงใธใงใใฎ่ฉฑใฏ่ใใใใใฆใใพใใใ๏ผ
โ ็ฌฌ7้จใฎใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎ้ฃ่ผ็ดๅใฎ้ ใซๅ ็ใใ่ฉฑใ่ใใใใฏใใฆใใพใใใใใฎๆๆใฏ่ๆจๅ ็็ใซใๆฉใใงใใใใ ใใใชใใจใใใฎใๅใฎๆญฃ็ดใชๅฐ่ฑกใงใใญใใกใใใฉWJ็ทจ้้จใใใใใธใงใธใงใใจใใใฟใคใใซใๅคใใฆๆฐไฝใงใใจ้ ผใพใใฆใใ้ ใ ใจๆใใพใใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใๅงใพใฃใฆใใใฏใๅ็จฟใๆใใใใใจใใๅคๅ็ใชไปไบใฎไปๆนใ ใฃใใฎใงใใใผในใๅดฉใใใใจใใใใจใ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใฎใใใชๆ็ขบใช็ท ๅใใชใไธญใงใฎไปไบใงใใใใใ่ชๅใๆใใใ็ตตใๆงๆใซๅฏพใใฆใใใผใธๆฐใ่ถณใใชใใจใใๆใใใใฃใใใใใชใใใชโฆใใใใชๆๆใซๅใจใตใใใง้ฃไบใใใฆใใๆใซใใกใใฃใจ็ฒใใใใใ้ฑๅใงๆใใฎใฏใใใใใใชใใจใใญใใจ่จใฃใใใจใใใใพใใใใUJใงๆใใชใใใชใๆๅ่ชใชใใฒใจใใใพใใงๆใใใใๅคง่ช็ถใจใ้ฆฌใ่ฆ้ใใฎๅบใ็ฉบ้ใง่กจ็พใงใใใใใWJใฎ31ใใผใธใ ใจ็ชฎๅฑใชใใ ใใญใใจใใ่ฉฑใๅบใพใใใญใใใกใใใๅใจใใฆใฏUJใงๆใใฆใใใ ใใใชใๅคงๆญ่ฟใชใใงใใใใพใใฏWJ็ทจ้้จใฎๆ่ฆใ่ใใฎใ็ญใชใฎใงใ็ธ่ซใใซ่กใใพใใใใใใจๅฝๆใฏใๆๅๅฐๅนดใธใฃใณใใใใใฃใใใงใใใๅ ็ใซใใใ่ใใใใ็ฅใฃใฆใไบบใใชใใใใใใจใ
โโไบบ้้ขไฟใ้่ฆใใใ๏ผ
โ ใงใใใใญใใใใงใใใใใใจWJ็ทจ้้จใจ่ชฟๆดใใฆใ่ฉฑใใพใจใพใฃใฆUJใงๆใใใจใซใชใฃใใใใงใใใใใฎๆใซๅ ็ใใใงใUJใงใฏไฝใๆใใใใใใใใใใณใบQใใๆใใฐใใใฎ๏ผใใจ (็ฌ)ใ
โโใใใฏใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎ็ถใใงใใใญ (็ฌ)ใ
โ ใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฏWJใฎ้ฃ่ผๅใใพใจใใ็ฌฌ4ๅทปใฎใฉในใใใไฟบใใกใฎๆฆใใฏใใใใใ ๏ผใใฟใใใชๆใใง็ตใใฃใฆใใใงใใ๏ผใใใใฏๅ ็็ใซใฏใ่ชญ่ ใซไธๅฟใฎๅฎ็ตใจใใฆ่ฆใฆใใใฃใฆใใใใใใซๆใใฆใใใใใงใใญใๅใจใใฆใฏใใกใใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใ่ชญใฟใใใฃใใฎใงใUJใงใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใใใใพใใใใใจใใใฎๆใซ่ๆจๅ ็ใใ่จใใใใฎใใใใใฃใฑใใใธใงใธใงใใจใใใฟใคใใซใใคใใใใใจใใใใงUJๆฒ่ผๆใใ็ฌฌ7้จใจ่ฌณใฃใใใใงใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎไธญใงใฏใใใฃใฑใใใธใงใธใงใใชใใ ใใญใใใใธใงใธใงใใฃใฆ้จใไปฃใใใใจใซๆฐ้ฃ่ผใฟใใใชใใฎใชใใ ใใญใใจ่จใฃใฆใใพใใใใทใชใผใบใฟใคใใซใฎใใใชใคใกใผใธใชใใงใใใใญใ
โโๆ ็ปใฎใ007ใใทใชใผใบใฎใใใชใคใกใผใธใงใใใใใๅฝน่ ใ่ๅฐใๅนดไปฃใๅคใใฃใฆใใใใฏใใฒใจใคใฎใทใชใผใบใใใใจๅใใงใใญใ
โโ็ฌฌ8้จใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใฏ็ซใกไธใใใ้ขใใฃใฆใใพใใญใ
โ ใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎ้ฃ่ผไธญใใใใๆฌกใฏๆ็็บใซใใใใใจใใฃใจ่จใฃใฆใพใใใๅฎใฏๅฝๅใฏ็ฌฌ4้จใฎๆ็็บใๆณๅฎใใฆใใฆใ้ไธญใงใ1970ๅนดไปฃใ่ๅฐใชใฎใใใใญใใฟใใใช่ฉฑใๅบใฆใใพใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๅฐๅนดๆไปฃใงใใญใใใ ใใใใ ใจๆบๅธฏ้ป่ฉฑใใกใผใซใไฝฟใใชใใจใใ็ฉ่ชไธใฎๅถ็ดใๅขใใใฎใงใ้ใซ่ฟๆชๆฅใ่ๅฐใซใใใใใจใใใขใคใใขใใใใพใใใ
โโใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใฏไธปไบบๅ ฌๅใ็ฐ่ฒใงใใญใ่จๆถๅชๅคฑใง็พไธธใ4ใคๆใฃใฆใใใ
โ ๅๅไบบใฎๅฐ่ฑกใชใใงใใใ2011ๅนดใฎๆฑๆฅๆฌๅคง้็ฝใฎใใจใๆฅๆฌไธญใฎไบบใ ใใใ็จฎใฎๅชๅคฑๆใๆฑใใฆใใใจๆใใใงใใๅใใกใฏใใใใใฉใใใฆใใใฐใใใฎใ๏ผใใใใใๆฅๆฌไบบใฃใฆไฝใ ใใ๏ผใใใใใฃใใใจใๅซใใฆๅ็ดใซใๆตใใใฆๆฆใฃใฆใใจใใใ ใใงใชใใใ่ชๅใจใฏไฝ่ ใชใฎใ๏ผใใๆขใใซใใใฎใใใผใใชใฎใใชใใ ใใ่จๆถๅชๅคฑใชใฎใใชใจใฏๆใใพใใใ่ๆจๅ ็่ช่บซใฏใใใใใใผใใ่กจใซๅบใใฎใๅซใใชไบบใชใฎใงใใใใญใช่ชใใชใใงใใใใใฉใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏ็ดๆ็ใซใ็ฉไบใฎๆฌ่ณชใใจใใใๅใใใใ้ญใๆผซ็ปๅฎถใใใ ใจๆใใฆใใพใใไปฅๅใ้่ซใฎไธญใงใใใๅ้กใซใคใใฆ่ฉฑใใใใจใใใฃใใใงใใใๅ ็ใฏใใใใใฏ่ฏใใชใใจใใใใใพใใใใจใ ใ่จใใฎใฏ่ฏใใชใใจๆใใใ ใใญใใจใใๆฆไบใซใใฆใใไธ็ๅนณๅใฏ็ๆณใ ใใฉใ็พๅฎใซใฏๆฆไบใฏ่ตทใใฆใใพใใใใใใ็พๅฎใซใฏใใใใ ใใใๅคงไบใชใฎใฏใใใใซใใฃใๆใซใฉใๅใๅใใใๆใใฆใใใใใจใใใใชใใใใใใใไบใ ใ่จใใใใใๅญไพใฏใญใใคใจๆใใใจใใใฎ้ใใ ใจๆใใพใใๅ ็ใๅญไพใฎ้ ใซใใใไบใ่ฒใ ใจ่จใใใๆใใๆ ็ป้คจใงใใฉใผๆ ็ปใจใใ่ฆใใจๅฎๅฟใใใใฃใฆ่จใใใงใใไฝๆ ใใจใใใจใใใใงใฏๅฝใใๅใงใใๆฎ่ใชใใจใ่ตทใใใใใงใใงใไธปไบบๅ ฌใใกใใฉใๅใๅใใใ่ฆใใฆใใใใใๅใใชใ็ฉบ้ใ ใฃใใใ ใใญใใจใใใใจใ่จใฃใฆใใฆใใใฎไบบใฏใใใใจๆใใพใใใใใใฉใผๆ ็ปใ่ฆใใจๅฎๅฟใใใใฃใฆใใ้จๅใ ใใๅใๅใใจๅใชใๅฑใชใไบบใซใชใใใงใใใฉ (็ฌ)ใ็ๆใ็ด่งฃใใฆใใใจๅฎใฏๆฌ่ณชใ็ชใใฆใใใใงใใใใใไปฅๅใฎ่ฉฑใงใใใๅคงๅญฆ็ใฎใใชใผใใผใใผใฎๅๆใงใๅฐฑ่ทใจใ่ฒใ ใจๆฑบๆญใใชใใกใใใใชใๅญฆ็ใซๅคงไบใชใใจใฏ๏ผใใจใใ่ณชๅใๅใใใจใใฎ็ญใใใ็พใใใฃใฆใใใฎใใชใใใใใใฎใๅคงไบใชใใงใใใใฃใฆใ่ใใใปใใฏใใ๏ผใใฃใฆใชใฃใใจๆใใพใใ (็ฌ)ใใงใใฉใใใๆๅณใชใฎใใ่ใใฆใใใจใใ่ชๅใซใจใฃใฆใ็พใใใจใ่ฏใใจๆใใใใจใๅคๆญใงใใๅฏฉ็พ็ผใๅญฆ็ๆไปฃใซ็ฃจใใฆใปใใใใใฎๅคๆญใใงใใใฐใๆฑบๆญใใงใใใใงใใใใฃใฆใใใใจใชใใ ใจใใใใใฃใ่ๆจ็่ซใซใใธใงใธใงใใฏ่ฃๆใกใใใฆๆใใใฆใใใใงใใใญใ
Q: The Morioh in Part 4 and the Morioh in Part 8 have the same name but are different places. They exist in parallel worlds. But was there any consideration to have Part 8's Morioh be the same as Part 4's?
Yamauchi: As far as I know, there was no such discussion. I remember we talked about having the setting be similar to Part 4's to make readers smile. But I don't think we ever talked about setting the story in the same town. Oh, but we jokingly remarked, "Rohan being there might be fine." After all, he managed to complete his manuscripts on time even during the climax of Part 6, where time was accelerating, so there's a possibility that he exists beyond time and space (laughs).
โโๆ ๅฝใซใชใฃใใฟใคใใณใฐใฏใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎใฉใฎ่พบใใใใงใใใใใ
โ 2011ๅนด2ๆใซๆฐๆ ๅฝใจใใฆๅ ็ใซ็ดนไปใใใพใใใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎใฉในใใ่ฆใใฆใใๆๆใงใใญใๅไปปใฎไบ่คใใใฎๅผใ็ถใใๅ ผใญใฆใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฎๆใกๅใใใซใฏ2ๅใปใฉๅๅธญใใพใใใใใใใฉในใใพใงใฎๆตใใฏๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใใฎใง็นใซๅฃๅบใใใใใจใใชใใใๅ ็ใฏใใใใใตใใซๆใกๅใใใใใฆใใใฎใใใจใใ็ขบ่ชใใใฆใใพใใใ
โโใใฎๅพใ็ฌฌ8้จใงใใใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใซ็ชๅ ฅใใใใใงใใญใ
โ ใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใ็ฌฌ2่ฉฑใใใใพใงใฏไบ่คใจไธ็ทใซๆใกๅใใใซ่กใฃใฆใใใชใ่ฉฑ้กใๅผใใ ใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใจใใใฟใคใใซใฏใใฎ้ ใซ่ๆจๅ ็ใใๅบใใใฎใงใใใกใใใฉไฝๅฎถใใใฅใผ30ๅจๅนดใจใใธใงใธใงใ25ๅจๅนดใฎๆ้ใๅงใพใฃใ้ ใงใใใใใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใ็ฌฌ2ๅทปใฎๅ ็ใฎใณใกใณใใซใใใใใใซใ่จๅฟต็ข็ใชๆๅณใ่พผใใฆใใฎใใใงใใ่ฆใใใใใฆใญใฃใใใผใงใๆๅณใฏๅใใใชใใฆใไธ่จใง่จใใฆใใใธใงใธใงใๆงใ้ซใๆใใใใใ่ฏใใฟใคใใซใ ใจๆใใพใใๆ็็บใ่ๅฐใจใชใใใจใฏๅใๆ ๅฝใใๅใใๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใใใงใใใๆ ๅฝใซใชใฃใฆใใๅคใใฃใ้จๅใใใใพใใใฒใจใคใฏใใฏใๆฑๆฅๆฌๅคง้็ฝใงใใญใใๆ็็บใ่ๅฐใซๆใไปฅไธใ้็ฝใซ่งฆใใชใใใใซใฏใใใชใใใจใใฃใใใฃใฆใใพใใใใพใใๆไปฃ่จญๅฎใพใงใฏๆฑบใพใฃใฆใใชใใฃใใฎใงใใใๅฟ ็ถ็ใซ้็ฝๅพใใคใพใ็พไปฃใ่ๅฐใจใชใใพใใใ
โโๆ็็บใซ้ขใใฆใฏใๆฐๅนดๅใฎใคใณใฟใใฅใผใงใใใใใใใฆๆใใใใใจใใฃใใ่ฉฑใๅบใฆใใพใใใ
โ ใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใฎ่ๅฐใๆ็็บใซใชใฃใใฎใฏใใใ็จฎใฎๅฟ ็ถใใชใจใใๆใใฏใใฆใใพใใ็ฌฌ3้จใงใจใธใใใพใงๆ ใใๅพใซใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏๅ ็ใฎๆ ้ทใงใใไปๅฐใใขใใซใจใใๆ็็บใๆใใพใใใใญใไปๅใ็ฌฌ7้จใใขใกใชใซใๆ ใใ็ฉ่ชใงใใใใใใใใซ็ถใ็ฌฌ8้จใงๆ็็บใจใใใฎใฏใๆ ้ทใซๅธฐใๅฎๅฟๆใฟใใใชใใฎใใใฃใใใใใชใใใจๆใใใงใใไฝๆฅญใฎ้ขใงใใๅฐ็็ใซใๆไปฃ็ใซใ็ฐๅฝใฎใขใกใชใซใจ้ใใใ่ชๅใฎไธญใฎๅ้ขจๆฏใ็พไปฃ็ใซ็ตใฟ็ซใฆใฆใใใฐใใๆ็็บใฏใใตในใใณในใใใใซใฎๆๅใซใใ้ไธญใงใใ่ๅฐใชใฎใงใฏใชใใงใใใใใ
โโ็ฌฌ4้จใฎๆ็็บใจ็ฌฌ8้จใฎๆ็็บใฏใๅๅใฏๅใใงใใ้ใๅ ดๆใงใใใใพใใญใไธฆ่กไธ็็ใชใใฎใงใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฎๆ็็บใซใใใใจใใๆกใฏ็กใใฃใใฎใงใใใใใ
โ ๅใ็ฅใ้ใใใใใใ่ฉฑใฏใใใพใใใงใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใ่ชญใใงใใ่ชญ่ ใใใคใใจใงใใใใใช่จญๅฎใใใฃใใใใใใใใใญใใจใใ่ฉฑใฏใใ่จๆถใใใใพใใใใใฎใพใพๅใ่กใ่ๅฐใซใใใจใใ่ฉฑใใใใใจใฏใชใใจๆใใพใใใใใงใใ้ฒไผดใฏใใฆใใใใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใฏใๅ่ซไบคใใใง่ฉฑใใพใใใใใชใซใใๆ้ใๅ ้ใใ็ฌฌ6้จใฎใฏใฉใคใใใฏในใงใๅ็จฟใ้ใซๅใใใไบบใงใใใใๆ็ฉบใ่ถ ใใฆๅญๅจใใๅฏ่ฝๆงใใใ (็ฌ)ใ
โโๆญดไปฃใฎๆ ๅฝ็ทจ้ใซใใใจใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏ้ฃ่ผใใใชใใๅ ใฎๅฑ้ใ่ใใใฟใคใใจใฎใใจใงใใใใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใๅใใงใใใใใ
โ ๅใใงใใญใๅ ใ ใใฌใใใชๆฑบใใฆๆใใใฆใฏใใพใใใใ ใใไบๅฎ่ชฟๅใซใชใใใ็ถใใๆฐใซใชใฃใฆไปๆนใใชใไฝๅใๆใใใใ ใจๆใใๆผซ็ปใฏใฏใฉใคใใใฏในใซๅใใฃใฆ่บๆใๆใใฆๅฑ้ใใใฎใ่ฏใใใจใใ่ฉฑใๅ ่ผฉใใ่ใใใใจใใใใใงใใใใใใง่จใใจใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใฏใใพใ ่บๆใฎๅคงใใใในใใผใใใฏใฃใใใจใฏๅใใใชใ็ถๆ ใงใใใ ใใใใใพใงใซ็ปๅ ดใใใ่ฉฑใฎใใผใใใใใจ็นใใใจใใใฎใใใๅขใใงในใใผใชใผใๅฑ้ใใฆใใๅฏ่ฝๆงใใใใพใใ้ใซใพใ ใใใใๆฐใใช่ฌใ็พใใ่บๆใฎ็ดๅพใๅคงใใใชใๅฏ่ฝๆงใใใใจๆใใพใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎๅ ดๅใใฉใใใซ่กใฃใใจๆใฃใฆใใ่จญๅฎใๅฑ้ใใใใๆฅใฎๆใกๅใใใง็ช็ถๅพฉๆดปใใฆใใใใจใๅคใใฎใง (็ฌ)ใใใธใงใธใงใชใชใณใใฎใฉในใใใฉใใชใใฎใใจใใ่ฉฑใใๅ ็ใใใพใฃใใๅบใฆใใพใใใๅฎๅฉใไฝ่ ใชใฎใใจใใใๅฝผใฎ่ฌใ่งฃใๆใใ็ฉ่ชใซใฏใชใฃใฆใใใพใใโฆใ
โโ2010ๅนด้ ใใใใธใงใธใงใใฎไธๅคงใ ใผใใกใณใใ็บ็ใใฆใใพใใใใใพใงๅบใใฃใใใฃใใใฏๆ ๅฝใใ่ฆใฆไฝใงใใใใใ
โ ๆฝๅจ็ใชไบบๆฐใฏใใจใใจใใฃใไฝๅใ ใจๆใใใงใใใใฃใใใฎใฒใจใคใฏใๆใ็ตใฆใใธใงใธใงใใๅฅฝใใชไธไปฃใๆงใ ใชใกใใฃใขใงๆฑบๅฎๆจฉใฎใใ็ซๅ ดใซใชใใไฝๅใๅๅใใใใซใฏๅ ็ใๆฌไบบใฎใกใใฃใข้ฒๅบใๅขใใใใใใจใใใฎใใใใจๆใใพใใใใใฒใจใคใฏใใใใไธไปฃ็ใชใใฎใใใใใใใใพใใใใใฏใชใจใคใฟใผใใฏใใใจใใใๅฅใธใฃใณใซใงๆดป่บใใ็บไฟกๅใฎใใๆนใ ใใใฎๅ้ใงใใใใซ็ซใกใใใธใงใธใงใใใกใณใๅ ฌ่จใใใใใซใชใฃใใใจใงใใๅฝผใใฎไฝๅใฎใใกใณใใๅ็นใใๆขใฃใ็ตๆใใธใงใธใงใใซ่พฟใ็ใใๆฐใใชใใกใณใซใชใใจใใใใธใฃใณใซใไธไปฃใ่ถ ใใๆกๆฃใใใฃใใฎใงใฏใชใใงใใใใใ้ข็ฝใใฎใฏใใใใใฃใใใธใงใธใงใๅฅฝใใฎๆนใ ใฏใใใ ใๅฅฝใใ ใใใณใฉใใใใใใจใใใฟใคใใงใฏใชใใใงใใญใ็ใใใ่ชๅใชใใซใใใธใงใธใงใใๅๅผใใฆๆถๅใ่ก่ใจใใไธใงใใ่ชๅใฎใขใฆใใใใใใใใฆใใใใงใใใใใใงใใใใใใใใซ็ซใฃใฆใใใใจใใใใจใใใใใงใใใใใฉใใใธใงใธใงใใชใใงใฏใฎ็นๅพดใ ใจๆใใพใใใใใฏๆผซ็ปใงใๅใใงใใใธใงใธใงใใซๅฝฑ้ฟใๅใใไฝๅฎถใฏใใใๅคใใฎใงใใใใใฎใพใพในใใฌใผใใซๅบใไฝๅฎถใฏใใชใใใๅฎ้ใซไบๆตใฎไฝๅใฏใพใฃใใ่ฆๅฝใใใชใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใ่ช่บซใใไปใฎใซใซใใฃใผใๅตไฝใฎใใณใใซๅใๅ ฅใใฆใใใฎใจ็ธไผผๅฝขใงใ่ๅณๆทฑใใงใใญใ
โโใ ใผใใกใณใใซ็ซใไปใใใจใชใขใซใซๆใใใฎใฏใฉใฎใฟใคใใณใฐใงใใ๏ผ
โ ๅไปปใฎไบ่คใๆ ๅฝใใใๅฒธ่พบ้ฒไผด ใซใผใดใซใธ่กใใใๅบ็ใใใ2011ๅนดใใใใงใใญใใชใผใซใซใฉใผใฎๅคงๅคใณใใใฏในใจใฏใใใๅฎไพก2800ๅใฎๆฌใ็บๅฃฒใใใฆๅณๆฅ้็ใใใใฃใใใงใใๆณๅฎใๅคงๅน ใซไธๅใๅฃฒใ่กใใงใใใใใใใฎๆฒ็คบๆฟใงใใธใงใธใงใใฎใปใชใใๆฑใใใใใกใใฃใข้ฒๅบใๅขใใฆใใใใจใๆผ ็ถใจใใ้ฐๅฒๆฐใๆใใฆใฏใใพใใใใๅ ทไฝ็ใซๆ่ญใใใฎใฏใใฎๅบๆฅไบใงใใใใธใงใธใงใใในใฟใผใใใฆใใใ20ๆฐๅนด้ใใใฆ็ๆใใใฆใใใใฎใใไธๆฐใซ่ทณใญใใใจใใใใจใชใใงใใใใญใ
โโใใฎใ ใผใใกใณใใฎๅคงใใช่้ชจใจใชใฃใใฎใใ2012ๅนดใซ้ใใใใ่ๆจ้ฃๅๅฝฆๅ็ปๅฑ ใธใงใธใงๅฑใใงใใญใๅ ็ใฎๆ ้ทใงใใๅฎฎๅ็ไปๅฐๅธใใใใฆๆฑไบฌใฎ2ใๆใง้ใใใพใใใ
โ ไธกไผๅ ดใจใใไบๆณใๅคงๅน ใซไธๅใใๅฎขใใใซๆฅใฆใใใ ใใพใใใๆฑไบฌไผๅ ดใฏ็ด1ใๆใจใใ้ทๆใฎๅฑ็คบใงใใใใๅฎใฏไผ็ป็ซใกไธใๅฝๅใฏ2้ฑ้ใใใใฎไบๅฎใ ใฃใใใงใใใใใงใใไปใ ใใ่จใใพใใๅไบบ็ใซใฏไธๆนใฎไธๅฎใๆใฃใฆใใพใใใใใงใซใใธใงใธใงใใใใใใใใใผใ ใใช็ถๆณใง่ฉฑ้กใซใชใฃใฆใใใใใณใใใฏในใใใใๅขใใง้็ใใใใฃใฆใใพใใใใ้ๅฌใใ10ๆใฏไผๆฅใฎๅฐใชใๆๆใงใใๅ็ปๅฑใซๆฅใใปใฉใฎใใกใณใฏใใฏใ็ทๆงใตใฉใชใผใใณใไธญๅฟใ ใใใจ่ชญใใงใใพใใใใใไพใใฐใๅนณๆฅใฎๆผ้ใซๆฅใฆใใใไบบใชใใใใใใ ใใใ๏ผใใจใใจใใใ่ใ้ใใฆใฟใใๅนณๆฅใฎๆผ้ใงใใใฑใใใฏๅ จใฆๅๅฃฒใใงใใใใใใชใๆฉใๆฎต้ใงๅฎๅฃฒใใๅฎขใใใ่ฅใๅฅณๆงใใใๅญใใใพใง้ๅธธใซๅน ๅบใใๆฌๅฝใซ้ฉใใพใใใใ่ฆงใใใ ใใชใๆนใใใใใๅบใฆใใพใใใใใฏๆฌๅฝใซ็ณใ่จณใชใใฃใใฎใงใใโฆใ
โโ2011ๅนดใซใฏ้่ชใSPURใ10ๆๅทใฎๅฅๅไป้ฒใงGUCCIใจใฎใณใฉใใฌใผใทใงใณใๅฎ็พใใใใใ็ธใง2013ๅนดใซใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎใคใฉในใใGUCCIใฎๅ จไธ็็ดๅถใทใงใใใฎใฆใคใณใใฆใใถใคใณใซใ้ธใฐใใพใใใ
โ GUCCIใซ้ขใใฆใฏ90ๅนดใ่ถ ใใๆญดๅฒใจไผ็ตฑใใใใใใคใฏใฉในใฎๆนใซๆใใใฆใใ่ถ ไธๆตใฎใใฉใณใใงใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎใคใฉในใใใทใงใใใฎใฆใคใณใใฆใใธใฅใขใซใจใใฆไฝฟใใใใฎใฏใๅ ็ใฎ็ตตใใใคใฏใฉในใฎใๅฎขใใใซไพกๅคใ็่งฃใใใใใฎใ ใจ่ชใใใใใใใงใใใใญใใใใ ใใฎใใคใใฉใณใใๅ จไธ็ใงๅฑ้ใใใฆใคใณใใฆใใธใฅใขใซใใใใธใงใธใงใใจใใใฒใจใคใฎใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใซ่ณญใใใจใใใฎใฏๅคงๅคใชๆฑบๆญใ ใจๆใใพใใใใใฏ่ๆจๅ ็ใฎ็ตตใๆใฃใฆใใๅใชใใงใใใใญใใใใฆ2013ๅนด6ๆใซใฏGUCCIใฎๅๅใงใใคใฟใชใขใฎใใฃใฌใณใใงใงๅ็ปๅฑใ้ใใใพใใใ
โโ2012ๅนดใซใฏ้่ชใSPURใใฎๅขๅใ ใใฏใใธใงใธใงใกใใณใใ็บๅฃฒใใใฆใใพใใใใฎๆฌใง่ๆจๅ ็ใฏใๆฟๅคช้ใฎใคใกใผใธใฎๆบๆตใงใใใไฟณๅชใฎใฏใชใณใใปใคใผในใใฆใใๆฐใจใไผใใพใใใญใ
โ ใใใชใซ่ใไธใใๅ ็ใ่ฆใใฎใฏๅใใฆใงใ (็ฌ)ใไพใใฐๅ็ๆฎๅฝฑใฎๆใฏใใซใกใฉใใณใใใไบใใซ่ฆใคใๅใใใผใบใใชใผใใผใใใฆใใใใผ๏ผใ็ฉใใใฆ่ฆใใใชใใงใใใผ๏ผใใจใใๆใใๆฌๅฝใซๅญไพใฎใใใซๅใใงใใใฃใใใใพใใใๆฅ้ ใฎๆใกๅใใใงใใใคใผในใใฆใใๆฐใธใฎๆฌๆใ่ใใฆใฏใใใใงใใใใฉใใๆฌๅฝใซๆงใใฎๅญๅจใชใใ ใชใๅใใงใใใใฆใใใฃใ๏ผใใจใๅใพใงๅฌใใใชใใพใใใใใกใใใคใผในใใฆใใๆฐใฏ็ฐกๅใซไผใใใใใชๆนใงใฏใชใใใงใใใใใใคใใฎๅนธ้ใใฟใคใใณใฐ่ฏใ้ใชใฃใฆๅฎ็พใใพใใใๆญดไปฃๆ ๅฝใ้ขไฟ่ ใจใใใ่ฉฑใใใงใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏๆฌๅฝใซใ้ใๆใฃใฆใใใใจใใๆใใชใใใงใใญใใๅนธ้ใ้ใชใฃใฆใใจ่จใใพใใใใคใผในใใฆใใๆฐใ่ๅณใๆใฃใฆใใใใฎใใซใผใดใซ็พ่ก้คจใGUCCIใจใฎใณใฉใใฌใผใทใงใณใจใใๅฎ็ธพใใใฃใใใใ ใจๆใใใใใใใๅ ็ใใใฃใจใใธใงใธใงใใๆใใฆใใใใจใฎ็ตๆใงใใฃใฆใๅใชใๅนธ้ใงใฏใชใใจๆใฃใฆใใพใใ
โโๅฐใ ใใฟใช่ณชๅใงใใใ่ๆจๅ ็ใไผผใฆใใใใธใงใธใงใใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฏ่ชฐใ ใจๆใใพใใใใใฏใๅฒธ่พบ้ฒไผด๏ผ
โ ใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใใใใใฎใใใใใช้ขใใๆใกใ ใจๆใใใงใใใญใๆๅคใชใจใใใงใฏใ็ขบไฟกใๆใฃใฆ่กๅใใ้ฒใใงใใใจใใ็นใง็ฌฌ7้จใฎใดใกใฌใณใฟใคใณๅคง็ตฑ้ ใฟใใใช้ขใใใใใๅ ็ใฎไบบๆใซใคใใฆใ ใจใๅ ฌๅบ่ฏไฟใซๅใใใใจใฏใใใชใใใจใใ้จๅใฏๅใๅฐ่ฑกใๅผทใใงใใญใไพใใฐ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซไฟกๅทใๅฎใใใงใใใๅน ใฎ็ญใ้ใงใๆทฑๅคใฎ่ปใใพใฃใใ่ตฐใฃใฆใใชใใใใชๆ้ๅธฏใงใใๅ ็ใฏ่ตคไฟกๅทใงใใใฐๆธกใใชใใไบบใ่ฆใฆใใ่ฆใฆใใชใใฏ้ขไฟใชใใ่ชๅใฎไธญใงๅพใใใใใจๆใใใจใฏใใใใชใใใใใชใใใชใ
โโๆผซ็ปใฎๅท็ญใซๅ ใใๅ็ปๅฑใๆงใ ใชๅๆใ้ข้ฃๆฌใฎ็บๅฃฒใชใฉใ2011๏ฝ2013ๅนดใฎ่ๆจๅ ็ใฏ็ธๅฝใชๅฟใใใงใฏใชใใฃใใงใใใใใ
โ ่ฒใ ใชๅ ดๆใซ่กใฃใใใใคใผในใใฆใใๆฐใใฏใใๆงใ ใชไบบใจไผใใใใจใใๆฎๆฎตใงใฏใงใใชใ็ต้จใๆฅฝใใใงใใใใจใใฃใใใฃใฆใฏใใ ใใใพใใใใใใฎใใใใๅฟใใใฃใใจๆใใพใใใใใใปใฉใๅฅฝใใชๆ ็ปใ่ฆณใใใชใๆๆใใใฃใใใใใงใใใโฆใๆ ๅฝใใฆใพใ 2ๅนดใจๅฐใใงใใใๅใปใฉ่ๆจๅ ็ใซใ้กใใใจใใใๆ ๅฝใฃใฆใใชใใใใใชใใงใใ (่ฆ็ฌ)ใใงใใใใช็ก่ถๆฏใใซใใคใๅฟใใฆใใ ใใฃใฆใ้ ญใไธใใใฐใใใงใใๅ ็ใฏไบบไธๅๆผซ็ปใๆใใใจใซๅดๅใๆๅ ฅใใๆนใงใใใใใใฏๅฟ ใใใๅ็จฟ็จ็ดใจๅใๅใใใจใ ใใงใฏใชใใใงใใญใๆ ็ปใ่ฆณใใ็พ่กๅใ่ฆใใใไบบใจไผใฃใฆ่ฉฑใใใใจใชใฉใไฝๅใซๆๅฝฑใใใฆใใใใจใๅซใใฆใฎใไบบไธๅใฎๅดๅใใใใใๆ่ฝใ ใจๆใใพใใไฝๅฎถใใใซ้ใใใใใใฆใใฎๅ ดๅใฏใไปไบใใใชใใใใจใใๆฑบๆใฎไธญใง่ฒใ ใชใใจใ้ฒใใใจๆใใฎใงใใใๅ ็ใฎไธญใซใฏใใใใใใใใๆ่ญใใใพใใชใใๆผซ็ปใๆใใใใฎใใใใๆ่ฝใๆใฃใฆใใไบบใงใใใใฏใใ่ๆจ้ฃๅๅฝฆใจใใใฒใจใคใฎใธใฃใณใซใ ใจๅใฏๆใฃใฆใใพใใ
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็ทจ้่ ใคใณใฟใใฅใผใ่ชญใใ ่ๆจๅ ็ใใไธ่จ๏ผ
ใๅใ่กใใพใใใใฃใฆ่จใฃใใใใใใๆฅใชใใงใใใใจใใ(ไฝใ ๆจ)
โ ใใใใใใฏๅคๅใชใบใ ใ็ใฃใกใใใใใใใชใใใชใใในใใผใชใผใ่ใใใๅ็จฟใๆใใฆใใๆใซ็ช็ถใๆใกๅใใใฃใฆใชใใจไฝๆฅญใๆญขใใชใใใชใใชใใ็นใซ้ฑๅ้ฃ่ผใฎ้ ใฏไฝ็ปๆ้ใ้ฑ3ๆฅใใใชใใฆใๅ็ด่จ็ฎใง1ๆฅ6ใใผใธใใใๆใใฃใฆใใ็ตๆงใฟใคใใช้ฒ่กใชใใงใใใใใง1ๆ้ใงใใญในใใใจ็ก็ ๆ้ใๅใใใจใซใชใใใใใใใงๅคๅใๆฅใชใใงใใจ่จใฃใกใใฃใใใ ใจๆใใพใใ
ๅ่ฏใๅบใใฎใๆฑบใพใฃใใฟใคใใณใฐใฏใใใงใใญใใ(ๅฃๅ )
โ ๆฅๅธธใฎใใใซใใใฃใจๆใใใใฃใใใใไปใฏๅ่ฏใๅบใใฟใคใใณใฐใงใฏใชใใใใใใชใใใๅบใใใ็ฌฌ4้จใฏๅฎ็ตใธๅใใใใใใใชใใใฃใฆใใๆฐๆใกใใใใพใใใญใๅ่ฏใฏๆฟๅคช้ใจๅบทไธใซไธๅบฆๆๅใใฆ้กใๅคใใฆ้ใใใใ ใใฉใๆตใฃใฆๆๅใฎใใจใซๅพฉๆดปใใฆใใใๅผทใใจๆใใใงใใใใ่ฒ ใใ็ฅใฃใฆใใไบบ้ใใใกใฐใๆใใใใใฃใฆใใจใงใใญใ
ๅ ็ใใใฏใไธปไบบๅ ฌใๅฅณๆงใซใใใใใจใใ่ฉฑใใใใพใใใใ(้ข่ฐท)
โ ๆถใใฆใชใใชใโฆใใใ ๅคๅฝๆ ็ปใงใไธปไบบๅ ฌใๅฅณๆงๅผ่ญทๅฃซใ ใฃใใใใใๅผทใๅฅณๆงใใๆใใไฝๅใๅบใฆใใ้ ใชใฎใงใๆฐ้ฎฎใชๆใใใใฆใใจๆใใพใใ็ฌฌ1้จใใ็ฌฌ3้จใพใงใฏ็ฅ่ฉฑ็ไธ็ใจใใใใๅผทใใฆ้ใใ็ทใใใใผใใฎใฒใจใคใ ใฃใใฎใงใใใใใใฎ่ฑๅดใจใใใฎใ็ฌฌ5้จใฎ้ ใซใฏใใฃใใจๆใใพใใใ
ในใฑใใใใใฏใฎไปใซใใผใใใ(ๆฑ)
โ 1999ๅนดใใไฝฟใฃใฆใใใในใฟใณใใฎใขใคใใขใใกใขใใใใผใใงใใญใใกใใฃใจไธญใฏ่ฆใใใใชใใใ ใใฉโฆใไปใซใใขใคใใขใใผใใฏๆใใไฝใฃใฆใใฆใใใฃใกใฏใใไฝๅใใใใพใใญใไธญ่บซใฏใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฎ่ๆฏใใกใขใใใญใฃใฉ่บซไธๆธใจใ่ฉฑใฎๅฑ้ใฎใกใขใจใใใใใจใ้ๆใฎ่ใฏใชใๆปใใฎใใใฟใใใชใกใขใใใฃใฑใๆธใใฆใใใใใ ใใชใใใฟใซๆใใใใใใใชใใใฉใใใใไฝๅนดใใใฆ็ๆใใใใจๆดปใใฆใใใใงใใใใใจใใใใฎๆ ็ปใใคใพใใญใผใฃใใซใใใใใผ๏ผใใฟใใใชๆๆ ใใกใใฃใจๆธใใฆใใ (็ฌ)ใ
(้ ไฝใฏ)ใพใฃใใๆฐใซใใใพใใใงใใใใ(ๅถ)
โ ่ชญ่ ใฎไบบๆฐใๅใใใใซในใใผใชใผใไฝใใจๆตใใซ้ๅๆใ็ใใใใงใใใไพใใฐ่ชญ่ ใฎ่ฆๆใใใใใใจใใฃใฆใ็ฌฌ2้จใฎใซใผใบใๅฐ็ใซๆปใฃใฆใใฆใใๅฟ ็ถๆงใใชใใใฐ่ช็ถใชๆใใใใชใใชใใจๆใใใงใใใญใใงใใใใใฏๆฌๅฝใซ้ฃใใใงใใญใ่ฆณๅ ๅฐใฏๅฎฃไผใใฆใๅฎขใใใซๆฅใฆใใใใใๅ้ขใไบบใๅ ฅใใชใใใใซใใฆ่ช็ถใไผ็ตฑใๅฎใใชใใกใใใใชใใๅใใใใชใใใๅใใใใใใงใใใๆผซ็ปใซใใ
ๆฎต้ใ่ธใใงWJใงใฏใชใไฝๅฆใใซ็งป็ฑใใใ(็ถๅญ)
โ ่ชญ่ ใซใใฃใทใ่ชญใใงใใใใใใฃใฆใใๆฐๆใกใฏๅคงใใใชใฃใฆใใพใใใญใๆฏ้ฑ19ใใผใธใฎWJใ ใจใใใใใผใธใ่ถณใใชใใใงใใใ19ใใผใธใฎๅชใใฃใฆใใใ (็ฌ)ใWJใงใฎใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใฏ็นๆฎใช้ฃ่ผๅฝขๅผใ่ฉฆใใใฆใใใฃใใใฉใ้ใซไปไบใฎใชใบใ ใๅดฉใใฆใใพใฃใฆ่ชๅใซใฏๅ จ็ถๅใใชใใฃใใใ ใใฉๆๅ่ชใชใ1่ฉฑใ45ใใผใธใใใใชใฎใงๅฑฑๅ ดใ2ๅใ่ช็ฑใชๅ ดๆใซไฝใใใใใตในใใณในใใฟใใใชใจๅใใใใใๆใใใใใใงใใใใ ใฃใใๆๅ่ชใซ่กใฃใใปใใใใใชใใจๆใฃใใใงใใ
ใใถใคใณใใใธใฅใขใซใฎ้ข็ฝใใ(้ฝ่ค)
โ ใทใซใจใใใฏๅคงไบใงใใญใไปฅๅใ้ป่ปใฎไธญใงWJใ่ชญใใงใใไบบใใใฆใ้ ใใใใใใ่ฆใฆใใฎใซใญใฃใฉใฏใฟใผใฎใทใซใจใใใ ใใงใใใฎไบบใ่ถ ไบบๆฐๆผซ็ปใฎใโโโโใใ่ชญใใงใ๏ผใใฃใฆๅใใฃใใใงใใใใใใฏในใดใคใจๆใฃใใใใใใใซ่ฒ ใใกใใ ใใ ๏ผใใฃใฆๆใฃใใใใทใซใจใใใฏใใชใๆฐใ้ฃใใพใใไปใฎไฝๅใฎ่ฏใ้จๅใฏๅใๅ ฅใใชใใจใใใชใใงใใญใ
ใ(ใฆใซใใฉใธใฃใณใใงใฏ)ใใใใใใณใบQใใๆใใฐใใใฎ๏ผใใ(ไบ่ค)
โ ใ๏ฝใใใใชใใจ่ใใฆใใใชใ (็ฌ)ใๅใฏUJใงใใในใใฃใผใซใปใใผใซใปใฉใณใใๆใใใจๆใฃใฆใพใใใใใ ใฃใฆใดใผใซใใใชใใจ (็ฌ)ใใใ ใๅฎใฏWJใฎๆใUJใฎๆใใใๆฌๅฝใซใดใผใซใงใใใฎใโใใจ่ชๅ่ช่บซใไธๅฎใช้จๅใฏใใใพใใใญใๆๅใซใใใญใชใจใณใผในใๆ็ตๅฐใ่ฆใใกใใฃใใฎใงใ็ ด็ถปใใใๅพๆปใใๅบๆฅใชใ็ฉ่ชใงใใใใใๆๅใซๅ จไฝใ่ฆใใฆใใใฆ่ชๅใ่ฟฝใ่พผใใ ใใ ใใฉใใใฅใผใจใผใฏใซใดใผใซใงใใฆๆฌๅฝใซ่ฏใใฃใใ (็ฌ)ใ
ๅ ็ใฎ็ตตใใใคใฏใฉในใฎใๅฎขใใใซไพกๅคใ็่งฃใใใใใฎใ ใจ่ชใใใใใ(ๅฑฑๅ )
โ ใใกใใทใงใณใซ่กใใใฎใฏๅใซใจใฃใฆๅคงใใใงใใญใใใกใใทใงใณใฏใฏใผใซใใ้ญ ๅใชใใใงใไพใใฐใขใใซใฎๅ็ใใใใจ็ฎ็ทใๅคใใใใใฆใใใงใๅฐๅนดๆผซ็ปใฏๆญฃๅๅฏพใงใใญใฃใฉใฎ็ฎ็ทใฏใใทใใจ่ชญ่ ใซๅใใชใใใใใชใใใใฎๆญฃๅๅฏพใฎๆฐดใจๆฒนใฎใจใใใซๅใๅผใใงใใใ ใใใจใใใฎใใณใฃใใใ ใใๆใๅพใชใใใจใ ใจๆใฃใฆใใใฎใงใ่ชๅใฎไธญใงใฏ็ปๆ็ใงใใญใ
